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[Music] welcome to how I see it with me Mark

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Pratt and Justin Sternberg this is a podcast that works to

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countercultural polarization through thoughtful [Music]

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conversations so what's your uh take on the Holy Spirit um like grew up in a Pentecostal

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Church okay so from day one you know I was taught like you had

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to work to get the Holy Spirit like you had to it it it didn't come when you

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were saved uh you know which is I think the belief of a lot of people especially

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Baptist cuz I know I know that contrast very well cuz Megan was Baptist and I was Pentecostal um but you had to pray

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to receive the Holy Spirit and usually pretty much in our church it was required that you speak in tongues in

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order to prove that you had the holy spirit so up until that point they essentially didn't believe that you had

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the Holy Spirit or were filled by the Holy

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Spirit now they you know the Bible talks about having the spirit without that and

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so they would they would I think accept that there was some measure there maybe

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but but um in the way they regarded this

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trans transition transformation was almost they regarded it more highly than

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even getting saved like step from being lost to not you know saved was like this

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big you know I got like one step up right and then much smaller yeah being

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saved Having the Holy Spirit is like okay now you're like a real Christian yeah just so everybody knows Justin's

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hands were about 4 inches apart on the first step and about a foot apart on the Second Step so yeah I realize we can't

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see that but and then once you got to that level I mean there was still lots

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and lots of work to do to get to the super Christian level the elect you know what the Bible talked about okay uh in

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Revelation so yeah so yeah my my in since that time you know I don't I don't

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my theology is that such that I believe when you're saved you receive the holy spirit in all of its Glory now that

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doesn't mean you can't be filled with the Holy Spirit at any given point to do something okay whatever Supernatural

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Supernatural sure I believe God does that all the time some I don't know that we always give him the credit for it you

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know but um I believe that's a thing that still happens um I also believe in

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speaking in tongues I believe that's a real thing I believe that um I don't believe it uh died when you know the New

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Testament will stop being written there's nothing in there that's obvious about that um I just you know I don't

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think it's as like if he wanted that to be a primary gift right now there'd be a lot more usage of it um is what I

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believe I don't know but I don't know yeah how do you define that for from

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from where you've come from that fullness what is that fullness look

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like I mean because to me God is the Trinity right sure he's

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all three and equal parts and so I it's I don't often differentiate right like

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between the three um just in my daily

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living and so the idea of you know being full of the spirit is about not

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quenching the spirit it's about which is the same thing saying doing being in God's will which is the same thing as

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what would Jesus do you know it's like I hear yeah the all three of those is the spirit it's God the Father and Jesus the

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son right the you know living in the spirit or being full of the spirit to me

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is no different no matter how you're motivated um is you know what I mean

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like to me they're all the same motivation and I think quenching the spirit is just so easy to do because

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it's essentially just ignoring you know or or or being n dull D to it or

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listening to other things more closely right sure um so for me being full of

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the the spirit is listening and I don't have control over when he chooses to do

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something Supernatural but I have a choice to be close to him and listening and obedient and so I don't I

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mean I don't know well that's something I've wrestled with you know sure and I think it's interesting cuz when we we

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will typically lump for lack of a better term

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you know God the Father God the son God the Holy Spirit together as God the Triune God and yet I think at times if

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I'm looking at my own journal or prayer life I will I will

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rarely mention the spirit or the Holy Spirit I but I might I would routinely

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mention Lord Jesus you know and it was a it was kind of an interesting Dynamic

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for me when I thought about it personally it's like okay where is what is this vacuum if you will that in my

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life as far as in reference and I was just curious what your take was on that

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role on and I think I think there is a dynamic I guess if I may that you know

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as you it's interesting when I ask you know you have a Pentecostal background

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you know because I think in some ways there is that uh Continuum if you will

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that makes well that would say that that that

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pentacostal Dynamic has even made the issue of the Holy Spirit tougher mhm you

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follow me yeah yeah and I think there are those who may have come from a more

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conservative background that would say oh don't mess with that right you know because yeah

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because it is scary but yet I think it also I think it is also leads to a

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certain quenching that is

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maybe minimizes the the godhead yeah you follow me yeah when we're not when

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there's because you know Jesus clearly according to scripture he clearly went

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to heaven and sent us you know the counselor the Holy Spirit Y and you know

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and granted that's still part of the role but I as as I think about it it's like in our culture in our day and age

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you know who is and and and would you say in your prayer life that you would

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routinely mention or talk with the Holy Spirit as part of that you know individually I it's funny

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you talked about your journals because that's what I was thinking of too um same thing essentially right like

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there's a lot of Ls there's a lot for you when you say same thing yeah okay yes

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so you know every once in a while explicitly talk to one or ask for help

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for one just to be like I know you exist too

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yeah but really I understand you know in some cases the purpose of each and I

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often very often ask for the spirit's leading right like this that the Holy Spirit would guide me would show me um

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you know I'm pretty specific in that sense but uh the I would say interestingly

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enough the one I like address the least would be Jesus really okay yeah cuz it's

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God the Father and then it's his helper and then okay like I understand Jesus did it all

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for me but it's like it's kind of done his part you know what I mean I hear you

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which obviously I understand yeah I don't know and then

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sometimes in terms because the Bible talks about Jesus being the Creator right and so sometimes he'll surface in

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terms of appreciation of nature or whatever but um yeah that is interesting

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yeah and and I think that's where it comes from for me just being personally aware of okay there is this Triune God

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and yet is there a Part of Me based on where I come from that I'm more

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comfortable with the father yeah that I recognize my salvation came through

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Jesus Christ and yet you know from my background not being so you know

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Pentecostal and dynamic is there a part of me that is naturally quenching you

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know kind of in in that biblical aspect of not quenching but holding on to what

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is good am I is I think about it from that aspect am I actually missing out or

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avoiding part of that Triune God by just a a blindness if you will that's good I

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so this this is something I've thought a lot about since growing up right as far

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as quenching the spirit and and that and I think in that attainment process that

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you described earlier yeah well even since growing out of theology right okay

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um and just like we make quenching the spirit so

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obtuse like it's like what is it exactly and

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and I think my church would have described it as is anything basically anything that they

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perceive from the outside to be keeping you from being able to respond in the

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Holy Spirit whether it was speaking in tongues okay whatever which is just so limited right

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where I believe quenching the spirit is not that complicated I like I said I don't think it's that different than

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just calling it sin right sure yeah and I think um I think the goal being to sin left is

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the same thing as to quench the spiritless right to be like this is what I was saying earlier to be in commun

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with him um yeah and but uh you know you're talking about your upbringing like how

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that can potentially impact it I would say whatever it is that you would

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perceive from your upbringing that would be potentially quenching the spirit is

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no different than sin yeah I'd agree it's a desire for control it's a fear of

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the unknown sure it's an unwillingness to

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dive full in right into the wholeness right whatever that looks like yeah so

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and it all comes down to fear and control I think and I would say

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like that it doesn't matter whether you believe in in in the Holy Spirit uh you

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know being baptized in the Holy Spirit and that whole concept of being filled or not like those things will prevent

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you from being as close to God as you are meant to be sure and by you I mean me and and everything um our desire for

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control and lack of fear right yeah yep for and for also for um

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what we know right like there's I hear you the familiar The Familiar the known

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the known Y and so I think I think I think there's a level to

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our faith right and as they grow his holy spirit will naturally be more

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involved in our life and you can see this from any person that you look up to spiritually right you can see a

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difference between them and how clearly they're in in touch with God more than I am right sure it would seem as such

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right and I would say there's less quenching right there's more surrender there's more um I just don't think it's

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that mysterious I guess is what I'm saying I think if if there's parts of

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you or me I know that I have parts of me that are afraid

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of you know just like that fear of like you really have to let go or whatever

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like you know cuz the the atmosphere I grew up in very much was like not

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controlled you know when the Bible when Paul talks about in first uh 1 Corinthians I think 13 He addresses the

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usage of the tongues sure in the church and he basically says you guys are going a little crazy here and if an unbel

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believer walks in they're going to think we're all insane and I'm not saying speaking in tongues is bad but if that's

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all you ever do and you think that's the highest good you're mistaken here are some things that are more important here

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are some you know what I mean and so like when I read that I remember and he

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was saying there should be an interpreter he's basically saying let's bring some order to this and I remember

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reading that passage and going what he's talking about and kind of awing m is the

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way my church is sure you know like that's the these are values that they H

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basically he sounded like he was talking to my church so I think I think maybe we're not quite in the right vein here

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you know well and it's interesting that you would say it that way and be reminded of your your church your

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background that kind of thing because I wouldn't u based on that same fear a

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conservative end of that Spectrum would say this is why we don't speak in

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tongues oh yeah you follow me yeah because it's just it's just chaos yeah

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and Paul said there isn't supposed to be chaos in the church so therefore no

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speaking in tongues yeah and you know this Holy Spirit stuff you fall and that

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that's trust me I get it yeah and that's the the reason for the question is how

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do we you know find that wholeness that

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nonquenching I guess would be part of where I'm at right now is this process

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of recognizing the fullness of the Triune God and all the characteristics

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whether it's the creation you know being able to see God in that whether it's you

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know praying for wisdom and seeking counsel and recognizing okay Holy Spirit I need your Insight in my life the

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things that only you can see I I need that Insight or I desire

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that insight and I think it brings up a good point because I

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desire to have you operating in my life more than I desire to withdraw from you

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not knowing exactly what you might Doh yeah I'm trusting you you know or or

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my situation is just bigger than I am to where it's it's initia

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a desire to turn towards God versus my own levels of control

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yeah yeah I mean I think the simplest answer

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for like how to be more I guess in tune with the Holy Spirit or like invite him

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in is simply to do that to invite him to ask to say you know this is my

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perception right like sure I know I have my my inhibitions but if you can remove them

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remove them if I need to do something different show me if I can grow and learn help me grow and learn like

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opening the door right like well if I'm maybe I'm quenching the spirit with my

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fear and with whatever but maybe I can at least you know remove some of the

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water that's I'm throwing on them by saying I don't want that I want you I want your leading I want your filling I

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want whatever that looks like that manifestation to be present in my life

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whatever it takes so if it's going to take you 10 years to teach me how to let go of control I'm up for that if it

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means you're going to follow me right now in tongues of fire will proceed from my mouth I'm up for that you know yeah

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right I hear you um I think that's a big part of it too it's just but but that's

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again that's no different than how we should be living right like you think about the the Celebrate Recovery 12 SE

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principles a lot of it is like giving over ourself mhm you know and letting him

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come in and again I don't see those as much different you know and I I've seen

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people who come have come through recovery right and on the other side they

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resemble a Holy Spirit-filled person more than anyone I know because the sweetness of God is there and do I think

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they speak in dunks no not really whatever yeah or do I think they lay hands or you know whatever kind of the

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Pentecostal or um yeah charismatic idea of that is do I

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think that they have to be exhibiting those things no and the Bible talks about gifts and he talks about you know

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all kinds of things and so the holy spirit being filled in someone can manifest in so many ways and there's

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nothing in the Bible that indicates that Holy Spirit manifestation is 24/7 from the point you get it till the you die

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it's very clear that the Bible says things in a very uh temporal manner like

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the Holy Spirit fell on them for that period of time and this happened yes right and so in that case I believe 100%

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that that has happened in my life several times you know whatever in the last 30 years how do you can care to

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share yeah I don't mind I was thinking about this earlier I was like this is going to sound like humble bragging

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because to hearers right it's going to sound like taking credit or whatever but it's the exact opposite right when you

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recognize that in In This Moment what's happening or what what was accomplished

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or or how you will feel through this thing is only Supernatural there's zero

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of Justin left in that situation right or I shouldn't say zero I think he partners with this I think there that's

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the beauty of it that's the Fulfillment if it felt like he was taking over and we were just you know like a puppet

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right being puet I don't think the feeling would be the same but there's something about that he's able to use me

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sure there's a there's a companionate yeah operating there versus just a that like you say the puppet on a

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string that might fear okay God's going to do this and what's going to happen to me or not what's going to happen to me

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but you know yeah that that fear of God

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doing something bigger yeah keeps me from relying on in a companionate way

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yeah because I don't want him to do something scary but trans but

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transformation can be a scary process yes that's yes yeah yes cuz again those

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things that would keep you from even you know having that fullness of the spirit

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are often the most stuck things right the sure deepest patterns and Cycles yes

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yeah again going going back to control and and and fear and those things like those are they go way back to when we

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were young and those feelings were triggered because of this happening or that happening and carried with them and

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they're part of who we are and like the last things the last remnants of our

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Humanity have to go you know yeah or you know he also is gracious so yeah a lot

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of us are going to get to heaven and have lots of remnant of humanity stuck in us still and but I think that's what

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quenching the spirit the opposite of quenching the spirit is ridding ourselves of those remnants and even

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then I don't think that's permanent either like I think you work hard and and whatever and it's continual work and

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your flesh will continue to surface and you look at Paul and he says You Know The Thorn In the Flesh we don't know

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that what that was but we know that was a continual thing that would come back that would remind him oh yeah I'm still

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a human I'm not fully you know transformed into this you know Eternal

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being that can sin no more you know or whatever or feel sin whatever that was

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right so I think yeah so back to your story I apologize I didn't mean to but I

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think it becomes like I agree with you that we have these remnants and I think that's what we wrestle with where God is

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concerned so good in part of your your journey what was that what was that I think I

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think for me some of the clearest things that stand out in the last few years is as I was involved with Celebrate

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Recovery in in leading that Ministry there were several times I had to have some hard conversations or

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confrontations about certain things that were happening and it was you know for the for the safety of the group or or

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protecting um that the group versus one individual and so I'd have to approach

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an individual and there was you know a few times where it didn't go well I never saw him again

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and it wasn't good and then there was times where the conversation just was holy spirit filled

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is the best way I can describe it and so the words I used and how I used them and the love that I showed was the Holy

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Spirit flowing through me and there was very much prior to those

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conversations a surrender of that conversation to say I can't produce

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anything from this I know there's no chance this should go well sure but I

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also know you can you can use it you know and I again I pray that prayer

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almost pretty much anytime I have to have a hard conversation sure and the ones that don't go a certain way I also

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trust to use those timing right timing yep but in those particular conversations I was

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able to share the hard truth that just hit it right down the middle exactly

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what the problem was why it was a problem the person understood they understand why it was a problem you know

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they were able to take it in it what the way I spoke about it wasn't an attack on him or them in in a way that was like

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you're a terrible person but more a representation of why this is problematic and like if this continues

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in your life here's what I think Could Happen sure right and was able to lovingly say I don't want this for you

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as much as I don't want this for the group yeah and you know by at the end of that conversation we were hugging and it

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was a conversation that was not meant to end with a hug if that makes sense sure

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and so again when I left that conversation there was a feeling of like a slight euphoric feeling of like that

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wasn't me right this was bigger than me this is bigger than me and I got to be

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part of it where heading into that conversation it was very much why the heck do I have to be part of this like

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why am I the person that has to to have these conversations or do these things and it it it was a Moses moment for you

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to the point of who am I and I would say that was leading up to it but but right before again it really was about I

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Surrender I recognize for such a time as this I'm here no one else is I have to

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do it it's okay I get it you called me to this I'm supposed to do this I'm here

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for this so use this is my role yeah and therefore I'm open to you be used by

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your spirit in such a way to have a difficult conversation yeah yeah yeah

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and um yeah so that's that's just one example but um I think for me a lot of

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them has to boils down to conversations really um where it just feels

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like it was supposed to be you know what I mean and it felt very much like the

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conversation from my end was not the typical Jus in stuff you know yeah my

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own inadequacies and my own um insecurities and all those things or

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you know coming out leaking out one way or another where most conversations it feels like that happens at one point or

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another just part of being a human where I'll say my opinion and just kind of be

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like that probably didn't need to be said or I'll you know bring up some smart quote or something and be like you

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know that was posturing or that was you know I mean yeah like in almost every conversation I can look at it and just

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kind of see the flesh leaking out of it right sure and I'm okay with that like it's just part

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of who I am and I'm I'm um you know being renewed by the

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transformation of my mind from now until I die and so I'll continue to be refined

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but I might still have a thorn in my flesh you know I do die you know yeah and um I don't know well I think you

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bring up a good point too that though as as I'm hearing it there is we are all rubbed off on to a certain

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degree by those who have gone before us or led the way for us spiritually and

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there's a part of us that sees them as having wisdom so sometimes in that

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process they've shared some good stuff with us you know from a human level

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level that might even be God ordained and yet I think so sometimes I think

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that's what we go to in the process of those difficult conversations is that that good quote or

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that that lifechanging snippet that someone gave us you know in in who we

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are and what we've heard in part of our process but yet there's also something bigger than that when we kind of well

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when we are reliant on God's operation our lives and we're not necessarily

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looking to pull out of our repertoire of good quotes and you know

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and yeah and I yeah I think for me and and I I'll

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I'll see this sometimes even when I'm counseling you follow me in that in that

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room in that moment it is it is this process of being able to say Okay God

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what do you want to do or what what does this couple need because I have this

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this um strategy if you will in my own mind but your your strategy is always

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greater yeah so it's like okay teach me to use who I am in this process but be

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willing to step aside so that you can or yeah be willing to step aside so that

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you can do even something greater yeah than the strategy that I currently have in my own own mind yeah it's good and I

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think so often that is a that is a spirit that is you know operating within

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us to to whatever fullness there might be in that moment cuz like you're saying

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I you don't I don't get that every time with every session that I'm in yeah yeah

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but yet there are there are certain times where I'm like not even

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necessarily walking on the ground that feeling because it's wow that just happened and that wasn't

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me but yet there was a transformation and there was an Insight given that yeah

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I can't take credit for so cool but just by being willing to be in that moment to

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go into the box if you will and basically say okay what's really going on here MH you know I think that's

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that's when God is able to move and it's so cool in those moments because

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there's something that transforms in us from from thinking it's about me and taking credit or like what I

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accomplished to going wait a second this isn't me but I'm here and he's using and

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there's this humility and appreciation that flows from those moments sure and I

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feel like if nothing else those are great indicators of when the Holy Spirit has filled you for a moment right like

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when you come out of it going wow that was humbling because I didn't really do

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that but at the same time I got to do that I was I was part of that I was a partner right yeah and he partnered with

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me to accomplish that thing and that can come on a stage on a court sure like in

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a counseling room uh you know like with your children prayer at night or like it can

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come so often in so many ways and I think sometimes we lose sight of those too in this Grand quest for you know

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this the holy spirit's Goblet of Fire falling over you know like yeah and I

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and I think that's a great uh thought too when we stop and think about you know how do how do we live out our our

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live with the spirit in a continual daily basis you know because I think

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there are these moments when when you think about the stage we think about worship times and you know and lifting

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our hands and that kind of thing and yes there can be this feeling that goes

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along with that but yet and and I think we may even desire that but yet at the

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same time it's a it's it's not always

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available to that same degree yeah that feeling that is not the

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spirit sorry just point of clarification there yeah well one thing you talked

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about which I really liked was you're basically saying I'm going into this

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situation with with a program right or strategy use the word strategy uh which really man it just uh

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it rings some bells of my memory because one of the things my church was

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very uh arrogant about was the fact that they had no

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programs okay they didn't prepare their message okay they didn't quote unquote practice

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their music ahead of time although I you know but they were spirit-led that was the

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advertisement right that was the whole goal that was the desire our services are spirit-led so whatever he says we do

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and yet every service look pretty similar so at some point you know there there's

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yeah uh so anyway uh that was very much the atmosphere I grew up in and then you

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know i' I've read a lot I've heard a lot since then and one of the books I read um is actually Andy Stanley's uh

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communicating for a change book he talked about how uh a lot of times

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pastors will push back against preparation to say yeah but then the Holy Spirit can't move and he says well why is he not in your study when you're

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studying is he not available to you there to you know inspire you to give to

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prep prepare for this Sunday and to have a word that makes sense and then on Sunday to help you deliver it as well

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like is he not is he does he only fit in this one box of where we say my hands are off the wheel Jesus Take it right

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and those are the only times Jesus is able to take the wheel no absolutely not and I think the thing that you said that

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I was thinking about is I think there has to be again that Partnership of I'm going

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to do my part but I'm also listening sure sure and I think I'm open yes yeah

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open to change I'm open to listen adapting to what you're telling me

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versus what what my my mind is and my preparation is telling me sure and I

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think about times in conversations where like I just knew this was what

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this person needed to hear and it was based on experience it was based it's not like I'm this happens to everybody

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right like you have this idea of oh this person needs this thing and it's really this is what they need and you get

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halfway through and it's just like it's it's all wrong it's rubbing the wrong way you can't quite elucidate it the way

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it is in your mind it's like it's just not connecting

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and God God you know I talk about the sticks thing a lot we should talk about that stick thing sometime but the idea

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that there's this balance between our gifts and our weaknesses and one of my weaknesses is a been a approval

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addiction right this desire to have others approval approve of me on the other side of that is a sensitivity sure

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right and that's a strength that a sensitivity to what a sensitivity to

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others feelings others like what they're thinking how they're responding to me to

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to any given situation yeah I think so yeah

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um but yeah exactly and so as those conversations are happening and I'm like this is what they need whatever the

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empathy is listening and going wait a second this isn't working and here's why like my brain starts to go they're

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thinking this and again I believe that it's about partnership and the Holy Spirit showing

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up saying okay good try now try this and he go yeah whoa whoa whoa all right

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let's let's slow down here and often I'll use those moments to switch into like let's talk about the good let's go

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back into a encouragement mode let's figure let's talk about why I don't know

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like bring it back to a positive place of like whatever I was just saying isn't important here's what's important right

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yeah and again that's just like patterns that I tend to see in my

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life with the Holy Spirit leading and then often he'll gently nudge the conversation back towards that thing but

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different and it was it's again something I can't take credit for I'm like oh oh this is what it was and we

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end up in you know often in the place where we were meant to be the whole time but it's not because my plan was right

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you know sure and it's about that adjustment and I and I think when you think about when you talk about

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preparation and plan and that kind of thing it's interesting because I I think a lot of times even in your stick I

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would call that a continum yes you know on one end and I and I would dare say as

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you described it that Continuum between what is religion and what is

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relationship comes to mind because so often it is about me doing what I've

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done over and over again to try and manufacture a process of change if you

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will that can be religion yeah you know I do this because this is where I come

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from this is what I was taught to do like we talked about even in another you know that programming if you will right

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yep that you know this this is is how you respond to God MH and yet there is

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this Dynamic of relationship that says Okay God wasn't

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concerned about the rules necessarily when Jesus came and died on the cross he

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came in such a way and offered us Grace because we couldn't pull it together we

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couldn't do it by ourselves therefore he offers us the Holy Spirit he offers us

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the gift of himself that we might offer and that's what comes to mind when you talk about

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describing because so often I think we look at the situation from what is wrong

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and we want to address what's wrong yes we want to fix it we want to fix it

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instead of saying okay let's let's talk about this from relationship and recognize okay what what what strengths

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do you have and how can we take those and put those

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in combine that with the power of God in such a way that says yes you you have a

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purpose that might be greater that is greater than your current ability to see

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based on where you've come from yeah that's good and I think that's

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what you you know from as I hear you that's that's what I'm hearing is that process of when we can step back from

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what we think needs to be done to fix something and we recognize that okay we

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don't love those people as much as God already does even in the midst of what

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they're doing then we're able to say Okay God how do you want to use me in

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this person's life and I may very well have to step back from what I think I

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need to Doh yeah yeah and it's interesting as well

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because God I think God also partners with us in terms of our experience and so I think sometimes we do go into it

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with the strategy and the strategy Works to a degree right like sure and I don't

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I think it's very important we don't take credit for those as well we understand the grand big picture that

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says God brought me through my whole life and all the things that I've learn learned specifically for this moment so

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the fact that I have some stuff to share that's helpful is the direct result of

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his Spirit leading me my whole life sure okay yeah yeah and so I think there I

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think it's important to live in the spirit that way too and recognizing that even when it feels like

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it was me I I don't want to take credit I want to understand the truth which is

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it was still a partnering sure it just didn't feel the same it didn't feel quite as like we weren't uh you know

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like in jazz they get in this pocket right and they're playing together and they're riffing and like they're

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creating this music just on the spot and it's beautiful and like they just know where they're going right and they'll

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change directions together seamlessly or whatever like to me that's what those moments feel like good jazz you

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know in other moments feels like a piece you performed and you practiced and you get up there on stage and you deliver it

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and and it hits and the the crowd collaps and they're happy like it's all good but it's not the same as that jazz

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experience but they're both valuable and appreciated and useful right like sure

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and I I think we shouldn't be so willing to take credit for the one but not the other you

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know excuse me we shouldn't be willing to take credit for either we should be willing to understand is a partnering in

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both ways and I get to be part of both sure and so there's a certain amount of

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credit that he gives me just by having me show up you know that says you're my

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son I put you on this planet for a reason and today you're going to do this

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you know and so there's you're my child yeah regardless yeah so it's that credit

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we get as a child but not as God sure right yeah and that's true no matter

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which of those things there are and yeah

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yeah it's good stuff no I appreciate you sharing

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yeah so yeah this is uh this is how we see it on the Holy Spirit that's

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right hopefully he shows up when we can speak in tongues to wrap this thing up that' be a good I was wondering if you

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were going to rap for a moment there just you know is is that a is that a process of the tongues rapping hey maybe

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you know I'm not I'm not sure the fruit is always there but like you say I'm I'm

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yeah I think there's some fruitful rappers probably I'm sure there are yeah we'll have to find let's find some

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fruitful great is lraa fruit for ice yeah I think so yeah I don't know him

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that well but he makes we should have him on a podcast sometime we all right let's do it Craig if you're

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