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morning Justin morning Mark how are you sir I'm good I am also good do you know

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what today is I do know what today is today is Wednesday nailed it as

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always you you kicked us off with some dad with a dad joke so I I did that was

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a dad joke was yes which I feel like is a signal that we should have some more dad jokes that's sure on this momentous

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day this momentous Wednesday that's right this momentous Wednesday is there anything else about this Wednesday this

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Wednesday happens to be our hund EP 100 100 what

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one0 episode episodes yeah I think that explains why sometimes we say did we do

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this one before yeah very much so yes we have we've done 100 it seems as if like

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you say you kind of meander a know through it and it's like well that one

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has a title but it still sounds a lot like what we talked about in the other one that is close but not quite the same

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yeah so yeah uh yeah so this is 100 um we have 99 behind us right yeah

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[Music] yeah welcome to how I see it with me

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Mark Pratt and Justin Sternberg this is a podcast that works to countercultural

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polarization through thoughtful [Music]

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conversations so for the next 100 we're just going to go right back through the same 100 and say how we are we've

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changed on our thoughts yes how we how we now see it differently than we did at the when we recorded that I'm sure that

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would be very interesting for The Listener we see it in a little Kinder gentler way maybe a little more mellow

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or you know I hope so h maybe in some ways we become a little more dogmatic

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even you know that's the the possibility is there I think that's like a pretty common trait as you age right so to

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Mello yeah no yeah I'd say both yeah yeah interesting that's yeah

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interesting yep is that like per person it's different or is that like I would say

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per person it's a little different gotta yeah yeah cuz I definitely see both and

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I think I think as we age there's also the uh the difference between like peace and

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fear you know cuz I think I think you know some people just become a little more mellow because they're adapting to

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the aspect of hey I can't control it yeah and you know some people who desire

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that control tend to be a little more fearful driven yeah so they can be a

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little more crusty yeah crusty this is a good one uh yeah I

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think the older you get the more you uh can resonate with the Ecclesiastes you know there's nothing the new one of the

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sun some of those like you know my striving isn't quite as

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potent as I thought it would be that kind of thing yeah I don't know thinking of speaking of uh dogmatic did you hear

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anything from any threes or fours from uh last episode I got a text from our good

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friend Graham yeah saying hey you turkey I'm a

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three that's good that's good cracked me up I told him I knew I was going to get

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in trouble from being a tur but yeah wait till I see him next time I say are do you you look just a little bit weaker

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to me is there a reason oh man he should I know something

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about you he played ultimate for me with this last night and so every time you

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know a play would go his way or something he would make jokes or I would you know and it it was a fun

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funny thing but uh see me is weak now yeah at one point he caught one we were

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on the same team but he caught one and while he caught it he was like staring me

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down it was funny uh yeah and then Megan

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uh you know I pegged her as a one or two well she's a five oh wow yeah which is

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which as we discussed it more I was like wow that's kind of interesting I I think for me it was kind of more uh a little

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bit mind-blowing than her I mean I think for her it kind of made sense in a lot of ways but sure and it made sense to me

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once I started thinking about it but yeah so that was interesting and and that's success five and uh and then uh

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Megan actually brought up an article I didn't have a chance to read it yet but did you uh just kind of a followup for

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that did so there's an article from some person who's like a certified coach for that the Primal questioning yep um which

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is a thing you can do but um she basically wrote about the seven but but

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what was unique about it that kind of stood out to us is she would break it down into things in your childhood you

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know early childhood that impacted you so developed those questions for you basically so basically saying did you

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grow up in an atmosphere like this like for abandonment was did your father to leave you at an early age or you know

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were you left alone for a long periods of time that kind of thing um she had questions for each of those so all that

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attachment style stuff yeah yeah exactly yeah yep so that was pretty cool to kind

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of see it in that perspective and then reading those like the one for the fives

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was really good for like making it lined right up and for seven I like oh yeah I

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I defin you can see that yeah yeah yeah neat yeah and then of course I you did

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share that there was a uh a moment you were very proud of uh um do you remember the moment you

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were very proud of talked about the uh the strengths and the weaknesses of the uh of the

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question I'm so lost oh man come on now this is your moment it was it was

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basically they were using your go ahead you you're with me now this was I'm

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proud of Megan saying this but uh oh okay uh Megan yeah man I was so lost

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there for uh no she I have that effect lately I guess so this is a good episode

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there's people are really interested Megan was looking up she found a podcast episode with David Foster that's his

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name right Mike Foster Mike Foster I'm sorry Mike um he was with us here last

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week if you recall right in Spirit uh anyway a podcast episode where they

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interviewed him and he was mentioning how the the that question is this inner

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drive and it it it could be a weakness but also it's attached to this ability it's a strength right so I desire to

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purpose and therefore you know sevens are good at trying to find purpose in others and help others find their

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purpose and sure and she said he used the stick he didn't know it but he used the stick and I said what he stole the

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stick no uh but yeah those are Justin's most proud moments when he can get other

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people to refer to the stick that's that's the beauty of it I was talking talking to some friends who uh know you

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Mark and you know have been counseled by you okay and talk about how you you know

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talk about the same they you've helped them in those areas and I'm like he didn't give me the credit for the stick

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and they were you know that was that was a joke but I'm real disappointed Mark

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well see that's another area that brought us together you know other than being sevens you had the stick but I

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have the Continuum yeah that's right so you know it's like it's it's a it's really a similar it is idea it is in

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that process but being able to recognize yeah we see it from yeah we you brought the stick with you and I brought my

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Continuum with me you know that's what we keep and therefore there's nothing new Under the Sun you know that's right

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but yeah so that was a good little uh topic um sure sometimes I don't know going into them like they're you know

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yeah that one resonated which is cool um definitely got me more interested in the

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book and oh sure yeah Megan was saying we should get it so um um but yeah 100

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yeah 100 yeah and that and it's still uh we're going to get to the dad jokes but it still makes a good with segue for

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today you know in that ability that we have to you know we all have this desire

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to be unique or special but we're very similar in a lot of different ways you

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know in that when you can boil it down to seven like all of humanity you know

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can answer to these seven or relate to one of these seven Primal questions that kind of gives you a clue

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sure about we're not that that different yeah yeah and yet uh so

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yes did you have a a joke you wanted to share I almost let into mine but I

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forgot what it was just a little bit well you looking up I am how do you

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get a farm girl to marry you do you want me to say it sure a

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tractor for first a tractor first a

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tractor because she thinks your tractor's sexy there you go that's that's that's the that's the beauty of

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it it's always more fun when you can see it in the word you know yeah true the word play the word play I think they'll

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get it oh I hear chuckling through the Airways from the future exactly did you

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have another one have one sure which bear is the most condescending

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oh a Pand du of course the and

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du duh oh man there's there's some other

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good one you got some more I'll let you go I'll let you go all right this one was uh hang on oh dry what uh the dry

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erase board is the most remarkable invention in the last 100 years I like

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that one remarkable do you get it cuz you can erase it yeah

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uh okay what kind of uh noise does a witch's vehicle make nice that's pretty good that was

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very good that was very good I hope everyone's groaning and laughing just you just a little equally equally yeah

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yeah um oh this one's my favorite yeah yeah go for it you'll understand yeah

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everyone will understand I believe you and you probably heard it before have I go for it I'm sure you have I'm guessing

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our to brought to you by our 100th episode that's right what's brown and stick

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oh it's a stick a stick yes Oh I thought you had a better one than that I mean

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it's you know it's the stick so it's a personal favorite okay that's fair enough also I've worn that one out so

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much I say that one so often every time there's an opportunity for a dad joke I bring that one up not very good but

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there's a there's a list there if you want to find another one you know what how do you know when a joke

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becomes dad joke oh I think I've heard this one I think you have we probably

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said this one on the air probably it becomes a parent oh that's right when

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it's a parent when it's a parent yes yes all right I got one that literally made

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me LOL when I read it a little what literally LOL laugh out loud I got

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you I thought you said a little elf it made me a little elf when I read

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it yeah okay well I'm good we'll get you up on all this I just wasn't

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you say that reminds me are do as you think about lol and all

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these other things is our culture trying to move that fast that we have to like

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have all these an acronyms and we take words like sus and you know and well while our culture is shortening things

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you're lengthening things well I am an acronym I'm sorry that was good I like

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that Mark bucks against the system yes

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well I I wasn't meant to be all one word right right right

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uh yeah it has it has to do with uh typing right so is it does it is that

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what it all comes down to it's just we want to make things a little faster to

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to type to be able to yeah also uh once texting became a thing then it really

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took off a lot of those analogies yeah or not an but I'm saying acronyms not an

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acronym but I'm not even just saying all the abbreviations you know by the way or

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whatever you know BT BTW you know FYI all that but I'm talking TDR oh to be

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determined that's TBD that's TVD tldr is too long didn't read oh okay that's fair

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so but I'll explain that we're actually shortening up words as well like like like sus you know

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something suspect or you know it makes you you know sus you know we'd say sus

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yeah it's a little sus you know if something's sketchy yeah Sketch yeah that's sketch exactly so I mean as many

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letters as you can remove the better yeah we got places to be the purpose though we got places to be what's the

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purpose as a seven what's the purpose purpose purpose all right let me let me go there um I think in some ways it's

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just a shith ooh nice all the way purpose Bible man you asked IED did yeah

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go for it we got those creative juices flowing now what's a shibili so in the

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Bible there's a story of um is that like a theophany I don't know what that is

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maybe you'll have to explain that one I after to explain this one that's okay um

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no but so there's a story of this battle and basically they weren't they looked the people they were fighting looked

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very similar you know yeah were they were the ones that dressed that like put the old wine skins

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on and so forth so they appeared like they'd come from a long ways away yeah I can't remember the details all I

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remember is that um they said you'll be able to know it's the enemy if they cannot pronounce shth oh and I don't

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know if I'm spell pronouncing it correctly but like there's a they would have a lisp or not have a essentially so

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um it's kind of like being able to roll your RS right you know you know they have a they can speak Spanish if they

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can roll their RS you know that kind of idea but um but anyway there it's like this end thing right so I got um if if I

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know LOL and you know LOL I mean it puts us inside of a certain cultural aspect and we're you know we're sharing that

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experience I got you so there's there's there's your purpose Mark is that the purpose yeah okay I mean if you can go

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sounds kind of elitist um

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it could be I don't know uh if you can like use those

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exclusive what say exclusive sure yeah yeah but that's so that's the that's the

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nature yeah that's the nature of tribes right so there's um you know there's a

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lot of psychological benefit to tribes and tribology and that kind of thing but

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also we know there's negatives right it's my side your side I you know that kind of thing but so yeah I think yeah I

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think puts you in a certain tribe and you know you'll know how to spell or how to pronounce shth yeah yeah so therefore

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you won't have to be murdered by me exactly because I know how to pronounce the words or say them correctly or you

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say LOL I'm part of not laugh out loud turned into an elf or whatever little

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elf little elf all right you got one more joke yeah and then you got

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theophany yeah all right oh you want to know what theophany is after your joke joke or theophany first

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joke first joke is funnier my wife asked me to stop seeing wonder wall to her

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stop seeing singing I'm sorry let me start over my wife asked me to stop

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singing wonder wall to her I said maybe

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oh that's uh in the song yeah I figured

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theophany well a theophany long story short is you know we so often we think

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well or christophany maybe does that help no okay don't know basically we we

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tend to think that you know Jesus kind of showed up in the New Testament but

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basically a christophany is whenever we have Jesus showing up kind of as a

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representation in the Old Testament nice and in you know actually coming to Earth and interacting with people and a

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theophany is when you know the the the idea is God the Father himself actually

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came down to earth and appeared to different people so like M MCHC would

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chdc would be like a a christop where it's you know basically Christ

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interesting some would say Christ himself you know came down to speak with Abraham so yeah that's that's your uh

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it's interesting little tidbit for the morning I've definitely heard of the concept never heard what it was yeah

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yeah cuz there's a there's a really cool children's Bible that we have that we use with the

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and it is essentially that like um it it's the whole Bible it walks through the Old Testament but it it always

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brings it back to Jesus Oh neat and yeah so it's basically the christophany children's Bible

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neat well said thank you so so how different are we really oh are we really

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you and I are both sevens we're we're pretty different yeah no doubt mhm no doubt I never seen you wear sweatpants I

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only wear sweatpants that's one way I I typically uh play Frisbee in sweatpants

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that's true that's true yeah I don't play frisbe and sweatpants

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no no once in a while I do if it's hot I mean cold there you go no that's fair

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enough yeah what's another difference what's what's between us beard and no beard good beard and bad beard we'll put

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it that way I don't know if I'd go there a good beard and a pathetic excuse for a beard

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I would say I would say technology technology yeah awareness of Technology would be one of our an acronyms usage

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yeah definitely y definit you use the long longest extra long versions of Words and I'll use the you know and I

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and I think I think for me and you know when when you think of sus or sketch or stuff like that word shorten it's like I

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respect what is happening but I Al I think I've I think for me I respect vocabulary so

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much or the fact that words matter yeah it's like come on now what's the what

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you know and it it does almost take on a judgmental it can almost be a judgmental

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perspective on my you're not in their they're not in your tribe of vocabulary possibly shith use real

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words you know what's funny about that maybe ironic but is you know they're

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adding new words to the dictionary all the time so every time they do that you're wrong again like you know mean if

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you're if you're basing on like you know this is real word or not real word and vocabulary it's like well who defines

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what vocabulary is who defines what like how large your vocabulary is if it

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contains sus and LOL and these things do those not count correct when do they

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count when do they count just kid right yeah you get what I'm saying and I there's a lot of English words that are

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common and normal and not whatever that were also slay and I can't remember them but I know that there's many that we use

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today that are H man yeah I'm not going to remember but

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many slang that we use today no no they're like they're normal words for us they're what you would call vocabulary

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like good healthy English words that were originally uh like a SL playing in

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you know in the Cockney you know whatever sure and it just EV what we

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would have what we would consider healthy vocabulary was a slang of one day yeah I gotta yep yep yeah um and it

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and you'd be surprised how that's true so that's kind of my point right like at some point is sus going to be its own

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word and is it a lesser word because it's shorter than suspect andar I totally get where you're coming from

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yeah um but I I there's you know kids who use all these an

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acronyms they have their own language that you probably can't speak oh I agree I probably can't even understand I mean

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I think there's something to uh to that right there is something to that anyway

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yeah I think you know that I think but oh yeah no doubt and typically I'll have to ask yeah you know I mean sometimes

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you get it but other times it's like what did you say kind of like shelf on you know little shelf little

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little elf on the shelf exactly LOL yes yeah so in that process being and

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and I think for me and it's kind of funny because it will come down I I we I

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suppose I could boil it down to you know a primal question MH because it's like I

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think things have a purpose and so therefore to just kind of

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the fence if you will just kind of throw it away way to make it shorter make it

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smaller cut it down because I'm in from my perspective a hurry it's like what

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what's the hurry yeah is it is the hurry so that I can actually just have more

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time to scroll on my you know Facebook or Instagram type thing you know versus that ability and there again yeah just a

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thought yeah but I definitely and I think uh some of it comes down to that aspect of

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valuing what you said as far as a younger generation having its vocabulary

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that's different you know I think what I enjoy is when I'm actually around other

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people whose vocabulary is so much broader than mine you know to where it's

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like I really have to stop and listen or think about those words and I'll I'll

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Elevate or value what was Prior but I probably don't value enough you know the

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new development of language if you will right like like you're describing which

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yeah I have to uh it's interesting yeah yeah to think about it from that perspective yeah I have to uh that's

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something I need to value in itself because of the fact

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that yeah this is a a language that is developed and it has it does have a

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purpose even if I don't understand it and that's probably the the where the

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the frustration comes from is I don't always understand you know that kind of thing because it's a it's a developed

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language and you know I don't I wouldn't get I wouldn't get bent out of shape if

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somebody starts talking Spanish or German or French but it's like or using

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big vocabulary words you don't understand yeah there'd be a respect for that exactly but yeah I still need to

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realize that there's a respect for the other side of the equation as well so yeah appreciate you're bringing that up

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yeah yeah well you made me think of the kids Aunt Kelly who's been on this show before but uh she uh you know she's I

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don't know what her Primal question is but she's definitely a connector right so she likes to connect and so she she

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will ask the kids like juwel my middle schooler like what's what's the language now and she'll like use it you know with

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them all the time and it's it's really funny yeah cuz in some way she does it to be funny but some in some way she's

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just doing it to connect she does a good job of that really good job of that and

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um yeah so I think there's something to that too so so do you have the ability to uh bring some of our audience up to

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uh up to date on some of the words I can only think of one and it cracks me up okay and I don't think it's a a global

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thing I think it's just ju's school just the boys at her school but they say skippity toilet oh yeah it's like an

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exclamation you know okay skippity toilet and that signifies I think it's

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just like oh boy you know yeah yeah yeah I think

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it's a joke you know obviously I gota yeah that's a middle school boy thing for sure all right but that that's what

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comes to mind that's my favorite one I'll use that with juel sometimes just okay you know just to make her roller

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eyes a little bit a sarc is it a sarcastic old boy or you it's a literal

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I think it's well I've never heard anyone use it except Joel explain it so

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I have no idea how it's used in in the wild you haven't seen it in context

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right right but I could see him doing it I since knowing Middle School boys I

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could just see him doing it like all the time you know in every context yeah so I

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don't know yeah I think you know well I and I and I think what we're talking about in this process in our what

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episode 100 does that's kind of fun do celebrate a little bit but in that

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process I think it is that what we're talking about is our uniqueness and our difference yeah so as

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you and I and I'm mindful of sometimes it it is our it's kind of reminding me

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of basically our first episode where where where the purpose

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one number one yes number one you know the purpose of how I see it is this

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aspect of being able to see people in a broader perspective than just the one

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facet and as we're talking about this I have to recognize that I can tend to be

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maybe judgmental of a younger generation at times that's using a vocabulary that

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I don't understand and yet I probably have things that I might say you know

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the other that that generation wouldn't understand because my words are more Antiquated like I

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say well I'm not exactly sure that's a I mean that one alone

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[Laughter] I wouldn't consider that uh you know uh

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Antiquated vocabulary that would be a Marxism you know there's a reason that that is a Marxism but yes that that

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aspect and I and I because I think about it um I was trying to think because I

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think sometimes like in my in my

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occupation you know sometimes the word that comes is a

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you know like uh differentiation you know I had that

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my therapy has its vocabulary yeah domain domain specific vocabulary yes so

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it's like automatically in my mind H P there you go it's a paint sprayer yes

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high volume low pressure paint sprayer yes you speak my leg trying to connect

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try but in that in that process I'm thinking about it in that context of being able to sometimes I'll that word

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will come to mind but then I'm automatically kind of instead of using it or or maybe even using it especially

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with kids you know it's like I'm not going to use differentiation you know

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but I am going to bring it down into a you know age appropriate vocabulary you know and it's so it's you

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wish the kids would do the same for you uh no not necessar but I bring it bring it up to an age

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appropriate LOL to laugh out loud and and yet I think there's a point where I

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I need to extend the benefit that that's just normal to a kid yeah or to a

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younger person you know as I've developed this and you know being and

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here again I I see that as even somewhat being similar to someone who might swear

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it's like you know it once it becomes a part of my vocabulary I don't even necessarily think about it I don't even

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necessarily assign it a value that the person listening to me might assign to

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it right like I say like I say that's fair enough thank you that

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that's good you're you're you're out a roll this morning yeah well I'm I'm thankful for the opportunity me too I'm

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glad you're here all right I'm done it's okay I can appreciate the cre but still

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being able to recognize back to the first episode you know how we tend to

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view people on a very small segment and therefore you are so different than I am

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just because of that one facet the irony too

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is I mean there's there's a couple points of irony uh how different we really want to be from everyone else and

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we're really not but also how different we really are so there's there's kind of two points of irony there like people

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who are desperately trying to be so unique and it's like you look just like you know all the other kids with goth

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attire right remember when that was a thing like maybe it's a thing now but like um you know I like to be different

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therefore yeah probably yeah yeah Skippy toilet I doubted that uh people in Black

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yes yes no that would be it but you know you would look at you know you could see

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like I desperately want to be different than all you dumb people so I'm going to look like all these people but you know

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there's this perception that I'm so different and you end up falling into this other category of all the same um

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so that that's kind of some irony to it and I feel like that's a pretty common

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thing in especially in high school where you're really trying to just find yourself um but then again the flip side

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of that irony is that we are all very distinct you know sure we use the term

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snowflake as this negative you know in this negative connotation like you can't you know like you think you're special

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and different than everyone you're a snowflake or whatever but the truth is we are we actually are we're we're

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snowflakes there's no human being that's exactly the same as any other despite our similarities or even sometimes we

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try and look as similar to someone else as possible sure but we're not that person you know we have our own unique I

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mean we and we also talked about um um like even if you share the same number

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you can have such a drastically different up you know upbringing or cont or like we said you could grow up in the

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same house and the difference is I lived with you and you you lived with me so then therefore we had a completely

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different upbringing sure um so yeah I mean I think it's again there's some irony there where if we could just

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accept the fact that yes I am different M already y I'm good enough I'm Different enough I'm I'm exactly my

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uniqueness easy for me to say as a seven I got you no but I I think about that

32:30
and so often you know in like in sessions and so forth that difference between you know right and wrong so

32:38
often we see right as the people like me yeah and wrong is the people that are

32:43
different yeah you know and yet being being able to recognize okay you know

32:48
different isn't wrong different is just unique in that process and the ability

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that we have to be able to value that uniqueness is a important aspect of

33:02
Healthy Living to a certain degree from my perspective I'm thinking about it you know I mean as I'm as I'm thinking about

33:08
ways that we're all the same or all different you know I'm recognizing you know we all have that god-shaped vacuum

33:16
if you will you know that or even come if you want to bring it back to the Primal question or that you know it's

33:23
like that what do I what do I feel and I think we all have that vacuum but what

33:29
we try to fill it with is going to be different for each person you know in

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that process very very similar in having that you know and that desire

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to want to be unique I don't think man I

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I I don't I I I was thinking about it in that context to the point of want people people that have a desire

33:54
to be just like everybody else I'm not sure that's part of our you know granted

34:01
a desire to fit in maybe a desire to be accepted but I think our desire is to be

34:07
accepted for our uniqueness not just because I'm exactly like you at at the core probably I think

34:15
sometimes we don't even know that we see someone who represents success in what we want to be and we think if I could be

34:20
exactly that I'd be happy and so we shoot for that not recognizing that I

34:26
mean it's kind of like uh getting desire to get rich right like once I'm rich I'll be happy well we know

34:33
that's fundamentally once I make that much money once I have correct we know those things are empty and when you

34:39
achieve those things you look for the next thing to fulfill it and it's the same with wanting to be just like that person if I manage it like I'm still

34:47
empty because like you said my inner desire is actually to be unique not to perfectly mimic or me or someone else

34:53
yeah and yeah it's yeah yeah it's it's interesting our desire to be so how kind

35:02
of at the same time we want to be so different and at the same time we want to look just like that person and that

35:07
person and we you know like we we want to we don't want you know and my uh uh

35:13
another podcast uh that I listen to he would say it's about Evolution and about

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um our fear of being plucked out of the you know like on the serengetti there's

35:23
a line he goes for the one that's all alone and you know whatever and it's our fear of that right like this idea of if

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I'm not in the tribe I will be plucked off and taken right gotcha um which to

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me you obviously makes sense even without evolution in terms of our tribology has a lot to do with that um

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we don't want to be left alone and therefore vulnerable sure um well I think even that has its spiritual

35:49
connection you know in that aspect of you know someone who's outside of you

35:54
know the church or you know that the community if you will you know they are a little more vulnerable yep you know to

36:03
that isolation yep and then there's you know there's the lone wolves who actually are outside and they do just

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fine in terms of you know they're not getting plucked off but they're not doing just fine in the sense that

36:15
they're lacking the community aspect that's so healthy and important for for humans you know um but yeah and then the

36:23
other thing too is like once we've gotten right inside the bounds of that tribe we okay I'm in I'm safe now we're

36:30
looking for ways to differentiate right like to say all right but I want to be the alpha you know male female whatever

36:36
I want to get to the top and have that you know recognition so what can I do what's my unique path in this maze to

36:43
get to that right wow I hear you and as soon as uh

36:48
we and then sometimes if it can it can flip on us right where I I try a certain

36:54
path and it causes me to get ejected from the tribe now we're back to no I'm just like you and we're back to trying

36:59
to you know what I'm saying I hear where you're coming from yeah I've seen that occur growing up and

37:06
I think I I've done it many times where it's like you try this certain joke you know you're like I'm going to be real

37:12
edgy it's like no one likes that and you're like oh and now you're just trying to like I'm still cool and you

37:18
like you know try and find the right sh right again to get back in and so dad

37:24
jokes are part of part of your Primal question then I guess so yeah I guess so yeah it certainly puts me inol it's what

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it's evolved to I'm I'm a real

37:38
dad there you go yeah yeah so the edginess is what can actually get you

37:45
ejected from the group or Propel you right I mean that's in like so many

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movies right you see you see that that battle Yeah Yeah pushing the line but

37:56
not yep you you think about it from that reinforcement standpoint yeah if it if

38:02
it was successful I'm likely going to do it again yeah yeah and I I think about you know your story that you shared

38:10
about kind of your upbringing a few episodes back I forget what one it was a part of but um your your story kind of

38:17
stands out to me uniquely in the sense that it didn't seem to fit the normal trajectory of like trying to find where

38:23
you fit in you just walked where you walked you knew you had access to the whole tribe and you would go to this

38:28
side go to you weren't trying to knock the guy off the top and you weren't trying to not you know like you weren't

38:35
worried about getting ejected cuz like you had your gun so you just go hunting you know what I mean like I don't know

38:40
your story is very unique in that sense of kind of a lot of the um I don't know

38:47
the the just the way I I see a lot of the people growing up around me and me how I

38:54
grew up and just kind of trying to fight for the top or fight for your SP I'll I'll admit when you shared that analogy

39:00
that's like that's not a desire on my part I don't desire to be the alpha yeah

39:05
you know and I would you know some of that's going to come back to me for birth order you know CU my brother was

39:12
the alpha yeah so like you can have the alpha yeah you can have that I don't care you know to be the alpha so that

39:19
that has very that has no appeal to me yeah you know it's interesting but I

39:25
don't and the other part of that is it's like I don't mind you know leading a group but it's not like that's my desire

39:33
to seek it out so that's that's the part that's foreign to me as far as seeking

39:38
out the desire to be the leader of the group it's like nah right I'll do that

39:44
by osmosis to it right yeah I suppose I mean how we love

39:49
marriage on the Rock I mean I recognize you you co-lead that with with uh Chris

39:55
Chris is the real leader in that's fair no yeah you're the beta

40:00
leader in that situation yeah that's good no nothing wrong with that exactly

40:06
but the point is like you're you know you know you teach on Friday nights once in a while I don't know if that's

40:11
considered leading but you know I think it is but um in the sense where I consider that teaching yeah it is

40:18
different for me in that context I think so too yeah yeah yeah uh or like occasionally you would

40:25
lead a F3 workout yeah haven't done that in a while either yeah yeah yeah I

40:32
probably should in all honesty but yeah Dr Phil come on that's another area of

40:39
Technology slack slack has moved on and they changed the name and it's like I

40:44
just I just honestly haven't bothered to re-update I tried to you know do a new

40:49
invite you know Ramsey's help me you know that whole kind of thing but it's like I couldn't get the technology to

40:55
work and it's like man if I can't get the technology to work yeah someone else can lead this yeah yeah that's good I

41:03
hear you but yeah that's what it does come down exactly the kind of thing whatever you are would

41:10
do like I don't need to get to the top I'll just go around outside here and that's fine yeah I I'll still show up

41:17
I'm still you're also not like I'm yeah right like you're not like I'm out of here yeah I'm my own part of that group

41:24
it's not that I don't have a certain you know leadership or you know I'm sure

41:29
there's lots and lots of people like you I just don't know any okay I'd give you I'd give you that it's a very unique

41:35
position I'm so used to seeing people want to find their place in the group or

41:40
get to the top or find maybe I'm not the top but at least show me where I am on the totem pole you know what I mean or

41:46
or like screw all of you I'm out of this tribe and Lone Wolf it that kind of thing and kind of yeah so it's it's it's

41:53
interesting yeah and I and I respect the fact it's funny um you have referred to

41:58
me as a lone wolf previously yeah I don't know that that's accurate right because you're not like uh but I do

42:06
recognize that I can have a tendency to kind of just walk off and do my own

42:11
thing you know outside the group but I'm not saying that's always healthy to live

42:17
that as a lifestyle right I think that's that's that's part of the difference you know cuz so often in a lot of people I

42:24
work with you know it's like well this happened and this happened and I'm just going to go live in isolation now you

42:30
know that's a that's a desire to continue in that trajectory it's not

42:35
just a momentary thing where I've lost relationship and I'm going to transition to finding another group or you know

42:43
involving myself with other people it's just a desire I've fed up with people now so I'm just going to go live in

42:49
isolation and that's a dangerous place to live from my perspective yep for sure yeah yeah yeah I I yeah I think anything

42:58
regarding you as a w Lone Wolf is kind of more just humorous but I think you know by thinking about this whole thing

43:04
I definitely don't see that like you haven't abandoned the tribe in therefore and are staying out there that's is not

43:10
my perception in any way now yeah exactly uh you're the hunter or gatherer

43:16
you always come back with some food something some

43:21
berries yeah so in that as we're as we're thinking about the uniqueness the

43:28
differences what would you say are some of the major differences that you see in

43:35
people or are there more similarities than difference if you just just throwing it out

43:41
there I mean uhhuh I feel like we are all so similar in so many ways and but

43:49
again it just comes down to your lived experience and how that's impacted you and um empathy is about being able to

43:57
hear your story and saying oh that's how it's different that makes sense you know what I mean yeah so I don't know I don't

44:05
it's a big question I don't know I have that I have a big answer I think it's just a small answer of yeah we're we're

44:10
very similar to each other and yet we're all unique so yeah both are true yeah

44:16
yes and you know yeah no it's it's just it's just as you think

44:21
about I shouldn't say as I think about you know how we're all unique you know

44:28
well as as as as we're all the same you know those that god-shaped vacuum you

44:34
know but yet recognize everyone grew up so differently everyone has a different

44:40
experience there's some similarities of course that we can draw from yeah but

44:45
yeah it is I I agree with you in that context I don't think it's uh you know an either or type thing it's just a it

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helps me recognize how Sovereign God is in that process of

45:00
being able to take all of that sameness all of that uniqueness and orchestrate

45:06
it in such a way that each life has purpose each life has meaning you know

45:12
and no matter what a person has done you know wrong right different you know God

45:20
can still use all of that as part of the plan and I don't have to you know walk

45:26
away I think that's part of the beauty of scripture too you know we're reminded of you know the the the mistakes that

45:32
people make you know the their if if I may their wrongness where they messed up

45:38
but yet that just helps me find a little bit of Peace even comfort in that

45:46
process that yeah God still showed up in all these people's lives you know

45:53
and he orchestrated his purposes even when they lied they stole they cheated

46:00
you know that kind of thing it's just kind of interesting for me to be able to think about yeah you know thinking of uh

46:08
the Primal questions there are seven of them right yep so essentially we're distilling all of humanity into seven

46:15
and saying you you know you fall into one of these seven or or you know somewhere in the Continuum MH um and and

46:22
I think in some ways we Buck against as a you know and we've talked about that before with personality assessments like

46:27
you can't pin me down or whatever I'm Different you know um what's so

46:33
interesting is like even that number seven it it aligns with that's how many notes there are a b c d e f g and you

46:41
think about the the sheer number of songs in in the world past and present

46:47
Bach Mozart you know yeah country it's all pulling from that same set of seven

46:54
wow right yeah and uh just thinking about how unique and then also you think

46:59
about us like there are um sometimes uh litigations against musicians for

47:05
stealing music one example a common uh that's kind of gone down in history is

47:11
uh Vanilla Ice Ice Ice B that that was sampled or you know one

47:19
he would argue not sampled from Under Pressure yeah you know down me

47:27
uh and if you hear both those songs side by side both both just you know just the

47:32
music track they're good Jammers they're good ones I hear you uh but you wouldn't think like oh exact same song Right

47:39
despite the fact that they use the same progression same notes you know maybe one like accent different or whatever

47:45
they are their own unique snowflake of a song sure despite using that same thing and uh and then you think about the

47:52
chord progression G CDE e e minor that's like 90% % of country songs 62% of all

47:59
worship songs you know that same core progression sure and yet you know it's

48:05
so versatile and so you know um and I I I think it's such a good analogy it

48:10
really is because every song is its own unique thing sure it's it has its own

48:15
place its own space in this universe you know yeah um and I think and and then

48:22
also you can tell when a song is a poser right you can tell when you literally just took that song and three words and

48:27
called it your own and it has the kind of like I don't that's not cool you know

48:32
or you can tell when someone is um just trying to be this other artist and it's this not genuine it's like I bet you're

48:40
a pretty good artist on your own I bet you're a pretty good singer I bet you you know you could come up with some pretty good lyrics you know and that's

48:46
true of humanity too and I'm trying to be just like Mark it comes across is disingenuous and people doesn't sit

48:54
right like what is why don't you feel trustworthy it's like cuz I'm not being

48:59
who I'm supposed to be I'm supposed to be my specific version of myself not a clone of someone else and like you know

49:05
there's a lot of movies that make fun of the um the cronies right that are just like their boss and they they got their

49:11
hat turned backwards to match him you know whatever it's no one respects them right they just push them aside and go

49:17
right to the the real Source right the person who's actually you know um so

49:22
that was kind a nice little rabbit trail of mine but um how music in humanity I mean it's seven

49:30
seven you know yeah what makes an octave then is an octave eight an octave is

49:37
a well an octave yeah I thought that was a

49:42
stack of eight and you go up another octave and that's another stack of eight maybe like if you count the maybe you

49:48
redo the letter again oh I don't I just I just thought of octaves as someone who

49:53
is a musician please tell us please tell us all I know is there's no h i got you

50:00
chord right there's no h key so I just always heard of otive and I've always

50:06
thought of it as eight yeah but it is eight well that's what I assume so

50:11
that's I didn't know how that fit into seven zero 1 two 3 four five six seven

50:17
eight I don't know like I and and maybe I could see it working you know by the time you go up the next level yeah is

50:24
that but either way I know octave is essentially the same note just the next

50:29
level up next octave up but yeah I don't understand I don't think that ties the

50:35
notes but okay no I just like say I would love someone who knows to tell me

50:42
so that's our that's our we had uh we had three and four last week got us some

50:47
interaction this this ability to explain an octave is please explain an octave how that compares to seven notes yes

50:54
whether they translate but also you know in terms of notes like there's minors there's Flats there's Sharps you know

51:00
the there's two options to each plane option yeah yeah and so um you know it's

51:06
not that dissimilar from Humanity I might be a mix of six and seven or you know one and seven or whatever and you

51:13
know yep yeah no it's just it's fun to think I was uh when you were describing

51:18
that as uh you know the whole D me yeah and then to do that backwards is silent night right is that correct yeah I think

51:26
something like that yeah was some Christmas song yeah I think it's silent night or is it silent night but either

51:32
way it's definitely a Christmas

51:39
song that's not Silent Night Joy to the World yeah there we go

51:46
okay yeah is that is that right yes cuz I I I could I wouldn't

51:53
know yeah CU it goes up and that one goes [Music]

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down okay right so yeah Joy to the World yeah fair enough s thank you it wasn't

52:04
silent night but yeah this is fun 100 we're doing Christmas songs oh no

52:11
don't tell Megan no oh wow she's give us a hard time give me a hard time well it

52:16
was based it was based on D true so yeah yeah that's true the uniqueness that is

52:23
in a song based on the order of notes that were able to choose yeah yeah yeah

52:29
so basically uh she's going to be on me because I'm anti- Christmas songs up

52:35
until after Thanksgiving and then I'm all Christmas songs until January oneish

52:40
I got you and then it's back off I yeah she would prefer to have Christmas songs all year

52:46
round um I think is it just that her heart of heart she's with me I think she

52:52
would say that um and a lot but I think uh she's very much she loves Christmas

52:58
so she's anytime There's an opportunity to think about Christmas she wants to think about it and I'm like no I it's too sacred for me to become mundane like

53:06
I don't you know what I mean I'm hearing where you're coming from I really like it to be in its very defined distinct

53:12
time frame and I like to enjoy that time frame to its full extent without it being muddied I got you so that's like

53:20
my thing so people you know this is ongoing joke with a lot of friends like I'm a Grinch and I'm like no I'm the

53:25
opposite I protect the sancity of this season sure yeah yeah so the rest of you

53:32
are ruining it I hear you yeah yeah mymas you're a Christmas story

53:39
person you know it's like you show those movies just in that season yeah oh and

53:45
they're that much better I hear you we got the Christmas lights up Christmas music playing the cookies the whole

53:51
package works really well but just a few pieces of it just one seems in authentic

53:57
yes it's just not right okay yeah so now you know now you all know how to be and

54:03
I appreciate what you've shared and like you say that analogy of Music in that

54:09
context of same seven but still unique in all of its

54:15
difference yeah the ability to arrange it in order and I think so often you

54:20
know I think our lives are like that in the process of we have these

54:27
opportunities yeah that I'll I'll call them opportunities that come our way and we get a lot of choices yeah you know

54:34
it's not that it just has to be that one way because that's that song yeah but

54:40
you know each of Our Lives is an individual story is an individual and it's and it's and it's done best if I

54:47
may say so when we just do that in unity and what's the what's the

54:54
what's the word when two Harmony that's the was looking for in harmony with God in that process of don't don't worry

55:01
about what those people are doing don't look to those people you look to me and

55:06
there's enough there's enough broadness in who I am to represent all I want you

55:13
to be and you just let them be that other part that's not you yeah and you

55:19
just focus on the notes that I'm asking you to play the story that I'm asking you to write because you don't have to

55:25
concern yourself with someone else's story mhm and I that's you know kind of

55:31
when I think about it in the terms of the notes and the story and a song you know that's kind of what comes to my

55:36
mind is you know that ability that we have to be able to say okay I don't need

55:41
to be concerned about what song you're writing I just need to be in harmony with God doing what he's asking me to do

55:49
walking in obedience to the things and and that may even lead to lead to

55:56
certain difficulties yeah you know in that process I'm not saying that you

56:01
know it's going to be cake if I do it that way but being able to recognize okay yeah this is what I'm called to and

56:09
even those difficult parts are just part of the story that yeah adds to my

56:15
individual uniqueness yeah you know the tough thing about what you're saying though is for

56:21
kids growing up with some of those Primal questions we didn't have the

56:27
option that we knew of to say oh this is about my story whatever all we had was

56:33
well I guess that person's life is good I guess I'll try that you know what I mean like um when your Primal question

56:40
is am I good enough or you know am I safe or some of those ones um it could

56:45
be very difficult to just believe oh my life is good as it like I have this

56:50
opportunity to pave my own path and it will be a good one it's like no I'm nothing so I have to look at at somebody

56:56
who something and then try to mimic what they're doing as best they can gotcha you know and I think that that's

57:03
breaking out of that is so important no matter what your Primal question is but learning what you said is true is

57:10
crucial to health I think um doubt in purpose you know well and I think as you

57:15
use the word purpose it reminds me you know I I you know have that the belief that you know there are four things that

57:21
only God can provide unconditional acceptance identity sec and purpose M

57:27
you know so whenever I'm trying to find those things outside of God you know

57:34
then that's going to be a more difficult process yeah but when I'm recognizing they are fully available and granted I

57:41
understand that as part of a journey we're not we don't come out of the womb basically saying okay I got all that I

57:46
need in God I get that but yet as part of a journey when we're able to

57:52
recognize that all of all that we need is is available there as a source that

57:59
makes a tremendous difference in our ability to find Comfort to find beace to

58:05
find joy to find happiness even you know because I think so often that that

58:10
happiness can seem elusive when I'm in the midst of conflict but it's not that it's it's not

58:17
that it's gone it's just a a circumstance of the moment and I can still find joy in that process because

58:23
I'm recognizing okay this is shaping me in a way that nothing nothing else can MH but I also understand that's not

58:29
always comfortable mhm and sometimes I shy away from the things that are

58:35
uncomfortable yeah yeah and you know in comparison right when we're in

58:41
comparison mode we only see people's highlight reels and not the uncomfortable parts that they had to

58:48
endure to get to where they are and so when we even when we try and copy their path and we encounter um you know uncom

58:56
discomfort or you know challenges along the way we think oh I must be doing it wrong sure right because that person

59:03
clearly got their easy you know and I'm not so what am I doing wrong and I would

59:09
say well number one thing you're doing wrong is you're trying to copy someone else exactly stop that but if you are

59:14
going to go this road then you have to recognize you know there's challenges you know no matter which direction you

59:19
go no doubt um and your challenges are going to be unique to you because of your unique place in this world too so

59:27
even if I try and copy someone's trajectory exactly it's just not going to work out the same way it just it

59:32
doesn't the math doesn't work out there's too many uh probabilities and odds and numbers sure and all all those

59:41
good U math things happening all those good math things yeah and it's it's a

59:47
it's a good thing you're mentioning numbers as are 100 episod yes so yeah

59:52
anything else you would uh like to uh make a part of our

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100 I wish I had a popper wait do we wait let me see if I can pull off this Applause thing oh here we go it's G to

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either be a drum roll or a app Applause or are you ready here comes remember

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he's got to remember which one it was oh he's got a button blinking but

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nothing happened I'm giving you the play but ah there it is nice

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oh that was a pretty good fade in and out nice job that's why that's why

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Justin that's right that's why he is the technology Guru there you have it folks well I did

1:00:43
push the wrong one the first time I don't know what that button did it might have uh it did absolutely who knows from a from a audio

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standpoint it did absolutely nothing but I appreciate your uh willness to try the

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next button thank you thank you yeah so yeah so bottom left is the Applause so thank you folks this was our 100th

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episode it's been fun um celebrate your given uniqueness that's right as you

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recognize yeah that you are uniquely created designed with purpose and

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meaning and Lord we uh and I almost made out of prayer didn't I

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did and uh so yes you can make it a pray yeah so Lord we thank you for this 100th

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