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[Laughter] this is a true dad joke oh

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no you know why you know why ducks have feathers no to cover their butt

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quack wait for [Music] it yes oh wow you really got the crowd

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with that one I did how funny you think it is well you know every joke has a

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context in which you hear it and then that context goes through your mind you know it automatically it's like who

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would even say that joke again you know short of a dad and it's like yes I feel yeah I feel like half of your laughter

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at it was embarrassment so oh no it wasn't embarrassment as much as well I I probably it's probably empathy for the

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embarrassment of others you know that's right we have a special guest here today it happens to be someone who's good at

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groaning at dad your dad J your dad jokes very familiar she didn't she

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didn't crawl underneath the couch but you know there just wasn't enough people around so that's right it did roll my

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eyes appropriately

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[Music] yes welcome to how I see it with me Mark

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Pratt and Justin Sternberg this is a podcast that works to

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countercultural polarization through thoughtful

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[Music] conversations all right would you like to introduce our special guest sure uh

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do you do you uh I know I know you as Elizabeth and Lizzy how do you want us

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to pre refer to you this morning I'll go by Lizzy I know you like to introduce me as Elizabeth but there you go consider

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everybody out there my friend so they can call me Lizzy there you go did you hear that everybody you're

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Lizzy's friend you get to call her Lizzy that's right yeah and it's it's interesting that that what I'll call a

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Evolution if you will okay you know of a name as a you know you name a child

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early on and you know we went with Elizabeth because it had such a

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diversity of what it what could evolve into nicknames right nicknames and so

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forth how it derives so it's just interesting uh we didn't necessarily always refer to Lizzy as Lizzy you know

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in our family but you know when now that when I interact with her and her friends and they refer to her as Lizzy or even

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when she did her presentation she had you know Lizzy so it's just kind of a yeah it's a neat thing as she's grown

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into who she is yeah and it's nice to have our daughter I'll say Chris is my

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daughter Lizzy Pratt with us this Lizzy yes lizy I'm gonna have to work on that

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I think it's okay if you call her Elizabeth well it probably is but I try to I try to defer when I can that's

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right yeah well we're happy to have you elzy glad to be here so why do we have

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elzy today Mark well that's uh it's a great question I'm uh I I'll be honest

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with you Justin this wasn't necessarily one of the topics that I would have necessarily chose okay but as I uh

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listened as I got further into it it was uh it was just a good topic as far and I

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I honestly was you know that uh old hymn How Great Thou Art that was kind of my

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theme as I started to research or look into our topic for the day and it was

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just interesting that you invited Lizzy um based on the fact that you know she has a

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neurobiological background or a desire to to head in that direction and so like

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you say it makes uh it makes uh her a um it makes her the professional in the

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room as far as I'm concerned about about our brain and uh neuro neuro

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neurobiological connections and Pathways and we're actually a lot of what we've been looking into is what the uh the

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part based on the research from neurolink where they're actually you know hooking the brain up to you know

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chip a a chip basically or transmitters implementing inserting transmitters into

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the brain to be able to interface with computers and other things to be able to help people you

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know translate the electricity that floats through our brain and put it into

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another interface to be able to help you know quadriplegics and ultimately what

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that could be on down the road for people with you know spinal cord injury and stuff like that so it

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really what was really kind of a you know what I thought was research by

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neurolink became a for me it became a progression in wow

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we are fearfully and wonderfully made and it just there was a lot of reminders

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for me in that so long story short that's brains that's what I was trying

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to get from Mark thank you Mark Lizzie you're welcome uh

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could you share with us a little bit about your you know schooling and like kind of your idea of why this stuff is

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cool or you know just some background absolutely yes so I'm currently a junior in college well just finished my junior

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year actually in college there's Applause for that too oh no you don't want me to try that again I did it too

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good the last time um and I'm studying biopsychology um with hopes of

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eventually coming a PA um and started off in the more like General applied Health Track um but

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switched pretty quickly to biopsychology just because I really love um this like

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side of things specifically with the brain and um what that how maybe the more holistic side of like your brain is

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such an integral part of like the rest of your body and um how do we kind of with the background of you know dad

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being a therapist and knowing that was important even going into school um kind of wanting to learn more about that and

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so definitely taking like the like the Neuroscience classes and really cool

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like class called biological basis of behavior and sensation and perception and all these different classes that are

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really cool incorporating kind of just the mind and the body and um yeah

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definitely not an expert but also definitely a learner so yeah yeah which is really cool cuz a lot of things that

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we talk about Mark and I we're just totally winging it and coming from you know like our our depth

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understanding and a lot of these well some of the brain ones some of like neuroplasticity some of those things um

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obviously Mark has a better background in that and has some studying but like our depth of knowledge is is I guess I

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would say shallow in a lot a lot of things we talk about but it's from our how we see it so we get we have a license to do that right that's right um

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but the cool thing is obviously you're like currently studying a lot of the stuff so I thought it would be really

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cool to kind of get a perspective for someone who's currently studying this stuff and actually can correct um

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correct Us in like as you have done in the past like well and I I even stop and

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think about that um and like I say just from when I received my education I

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think about how the past 10 years you know research and the things that we

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know I feel very Antiquated in in in my knowledge of the brain you know based on

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what I studied based on what we currently know and that's why I was excited to have Lizzy cuz like there's

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there's a lot of times when I I I dare say it's a passion we share so like I

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say a lot of times there's conversations about what she's learned and it's like oh well that ties in with something I've

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learned years ago you know and it and it's always kind of an interesting conversation to be able to do that yeah

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cuz you both kind of come to the conversation from two two different angles you're Antiquated knowledge I'm

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analog she's digital but also more applied cuz he's actually seeing it you know and

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in a therapy room and that kind of thing sure so biological what do you call it

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biopsychology biopsychology what is that mean exactly or what you know like cuz

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obviously there's like Neuroscience neuroscientists there's biology like and

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this seems like maybe in the middle or something yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of words for like how to how they

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kind of intersect there but basically I just you know tell people that it's a mix of biology and psychology and that I

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take a lot of biology classes take a lot of psychology classes and then there's a good few mix in between there which are

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which are like the Neuroscience classes um but yeah it's basically learning how they interplay and how they interact and

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I think it's really cool because you know we've traditionally seen psychology as one of the more like soft sciences

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and I would still say that it is yeah puffy a little bit um but it is cool

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because it is getting that more like oh this is really important and this does have like an everyday impact on the more

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like biology side of of who someone is so sure that's really cool um and it

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defin yeah definitely ties into the nuring stuff too cuz that's I would say bioscience in the sense that sure yeah

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but you were going to say something no I was I was exactly I was kind of agreeing with Lizzy because and I think that's

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where you were exactly what you were saying and I think our awareness of you know uh traumatic brain injuries tbis

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you know and that connect with our you know ability to you know

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have that injury and what it does to us after that is is you know is a

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psychological thing you know you can't have such a change and lose function of

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some parts of your body or something you were able to once do so efficiently and

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now not be able to do that and think it would have no effect so I think you

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know much of this learning from my perspective um comes at the cost of many

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of our you know military individuals you know because I think that's a large part

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of you know of that awareness where that comes from not that other people don't you know car accidents and things like

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that produce them as well but I think it's it's good that we are creating more

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and more awareness about the psychological effects of these injuries and how people are affected and still

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trying to work with individuals who experience you know a brain injury and

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ways that we might be able to learn how to decode if you will that electrical

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concert that goes on in the brain that makes the rest of our body work and I

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think that's just been really kind of neat to think about with this podcast so

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yeah it's interesting too because like the brains there are big big p are big

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not big as in um geography big but like important parts of the brain where if it

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gets an injury or whatever it's it causes dramatic or significant damage to the point where someone can't behave the

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way they used to and I know when we talk about neuroplasticity you talked about the guy who had a a pike pipe or

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something go through his brain yeah a rod rod and it kind of changed everything about him or change a

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significant part of what he was able to do and then in episode that I I was

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listening to that I sent you guys he talked about this guy who had some sort of brain injury to the front part of his brain I think he was saying where caused

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him to lose impulse control to where he had an awkward incident with the 80-year-old nurse you know that kind of

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thing where he he couldn't control his impulses and and yet they also talked about like you can take large chunks out

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of the I forget cortex I think they were saying I don't there's so many parts of the brain I kind of gave up on trying to

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understand the differences but and it it didn't seem to matter like people would take these tests and they would act the

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same you know give the same answers and then you you know you definitely hear stories and I even know some people who

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have had TBI traumatic brain injuries to where it's like I wouldn't have a clue

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sure except you know that they shared that information to me is like they're just as smart smarter than a lot of

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people I know you know it's like I guess that to me is fascinating how there's

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kind of just so much in the brain that some neurop bled City can go so go to a

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certain degree to where it can kind of compensate for failures of certain parts of the brain but then there are certain

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parts of the brain where it's like no that one that part is pretty crucial yeah and uh if you want to share Lizzie

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I think the the biological part of even what outside of TBI what like tumors can

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do you know in certain parts of the brain if you'd like to share some of yeah it was one of the uh one of the things we talked about after the

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Neuroscience podcast and I was you sharing with d is there's a couple different instances I talked about in

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some of my classes where there's a pretty um popular one from the 70s um

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there was a guy that did a shooting at UT in Texas and basically asked he you

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know committed suicide during it and then committed gave a suicide note asking for an autopsy and later was

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found that he had this you know tumor in his amydala oh wow and similar story um

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there's more recently we talked about one of my classes about uh this high school teacher in I believe it was like

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2000 who um was you know this great guy and then

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suddenly became kind of more of like a pedophile essentially and was committed

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and just through a fluke was committed to the hospital for something else and then similarly found a tumor and you

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know the tumor was removed and then it kind of get put back into normal life and then the tumor grew back and it was

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just this whole whole story of like you know this is this is really important and really interesting how how this you

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know just won small tumor they were like super small but that had this huge impact on someone's life and you know to

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the point of even causing someone to yeah you know commit suicide or that kind of thing change their behavior to

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that degree impulse control exactly that's a it's crazy

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um yeah so the podcast we're referencing is one from the huberman labs which is an awesome podcast that I really like um

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and he had a guest on the guest was like one of the I should have neur had this

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number or this name but yeah this scientist at nerling um and they

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basically talked about nerling for a while which is really cool because my previous understanding about nerling

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came from a wait but why blog post which is wait but why is a cool blog that he talks about really crazy science stuff

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from a lay person perspective there's some Choice words in there so if you go there don't blame me for what you what

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you read um but uh no he talked about neuralink I want to say I want to say he

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wrote that post maybe six to eight years ago and that was when nlink was kind of

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getting started and he basically talked about the lofty goals like and what's

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cool about Liz that podcast is like the stuff they're doing right now it's just

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barely scratching the surface of like what I understood of what they were going to do like the whole idea was this

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brain machine interfaces where you connect a machine to your brain and it

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augments your brain so you can do awesome things right so the there's the scary side and the cool side right like

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the cool side being you know I can talk to Mark without talking to him like I

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you know kind of that um I have some feelings about that but yeah um and and I forget what's that

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term when you can uh telepathy it's kind of like that idea but obviously with

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limitations just like just like Mark you know doesn't have to answer his phone or doesn't have to look at his phone you

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know you have abilities to turn those inputs off or whatever but the but that's the idea is like be able to

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communicate and not just communicate but augment what you know instantly with information from the internet and those

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are just limited understandings from like the Paradigm of the world that we know right now sure um and then you take

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into account what's possible when this stuff is possible and it becomes pretty interesting uh another example is like

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being able to jump into any vehicle and just operate it um because of this

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augmented State um just out of curiosity I'm I'm I'm recognizing I'm sitting in a

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room with two different Generations practically of from a technological standpoint would does that interface the

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desire to you know speak something in your basically think something and have

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somebody else know it does that have any appeal to you both of you I'm just curious I'll let Lizzie go first uh I

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would say not personally but I would see people I think for sure it would for other people gotcha yeah what about you

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Justin so we haven't got there yet but obviously there's some theological concerns with that kind of comes into

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play when you start talking about uh machine stuff interfacing with your your

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body um obviously there's some moral concerns some ethical concerns some theological concerns when it come like

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the Bible Revelation talks about um U mark of the beast right and so I know

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when I was younger we grew up in a church that was very focused on end times theology like their primary topic

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was end times Theology and so I just remember hearing about the mark of the beast it's going to be terrible everyone's going to need to have one

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that's how you're going to pay for your stuff and like if you took it like you were done for you weren't going to

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heaven and all so obviously that's always in my mind when I'm reading these things like I wonder how this could

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potentially tie into that play into that if it does that kind of thing so I'm gonna set that to the side and say but

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with that to the side I'm very for the idea because okay the the less

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technology gets in the way the more efficient the more effective I can be so

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right now I have to go find my phone I have to pick it up I have to unlock it I have to go to the app yeah I have to

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type words with my fingers you know in order just to say hey Mark I'll be out in a couple minutes you know iar you

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what say where it's much easier I just open the door and say hey Mark I'll be out in a couple minutes or whatever sure

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um and now if I can do that and you're still at home and I don't have to pick up my phone I don't I just can go H I

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should let Mark know and boom I let Mark know you know what I mean to me that makes that gets stuff out of the way or

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think about Lizzy writing papers like just think about all the disconnect from the stuff up here and then the stuff on

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your screen and like you have to somehow bring that stuff together through the this physical interface and keyboard and

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and and all that kind of stuff where if you could just start to like yeah bring that down and just think it into

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existence how much more efficient you would be you know and so for me I get excited about that kind of stuff or

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being like I said um right now we we already have limited versions of this and this is one of the things I loved

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about um this podcast is he kind of they would talk about these kind of magical things and he say we kind of already do

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this right he would say like like they were talking about this of conversating

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through our brains he's like it's that's a crazy idea he's like we kind of hard to do this but we do it with an assistance device which is our phone we

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still we beam these ideas from my head to your head and before that it was through this flapping meat right is what

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he described it our mouths our tongue is how I would move an idea from my brain to yours right um so he's saying it's

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not that far out to get to where we're going and so one of the things that excites me is like learning new things

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and being able to like learn how like for instance I just did a bunch of work in our Edition so

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there's some new things that I was trying to learn so I'd Google it I'd watch a YouTube video maybe a couple and

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then uh knowledge you know downloaded to my brain and I moved forward and I did

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the thing right sure now if I could short circuit that whole process right and like somehow make that happen

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quicker or not have to get my phone or like pause what I'm doing on the thing and then like just in my brain replay

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the part of the YouTube thing where he showed that thing okay got it yeah do it and then like to me those kinds of

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things are very appealing you know that's why I asked the question I'll be

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honest it has no appeal to me whatsoever you know I mean just I would expect no less from you Mr and and I'm thinking

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about it in I mean granted face to face is how I see relationships operating

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best you follow me because and I and I think about it when I think about it in my own aspect it's like putting it

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through my fingers seeing it actually helps me formulate my thoughts because

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I'll be the first to admit I don't think my initial thoughts if I could Comm communicate them would translate well

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and granted I'm recognizing you know some of this may come down to the interface it but if I'm just being able

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to think something sometimes it's the matter of being able to rethink it or I

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put it on a screen and then I can see because I'm I there you go and in communication

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I think of how much communication we do how much of the communication we do is

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also tone and you know body language and if that's not able to be conveyed I

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don't see it as being that much more advantageous from my perspective but I

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understand and and even that I I think about it in that context of efficiency

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MH and I'm someone who you know struggles with okay trying to be

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efficient but also not just letting efficiency rule my life in such a way

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that it's always about striving and productivity and and those kind of things Lizzy's kind of smirking and

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nodding CU it takes about 10 minutes to send a text so maybe the the people that

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maybe don't want this might need it the most yes valid point valid point that's

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definitely my thinking as well um yeah in the sense that how annoying is for you to like get your phone and

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communicate a thing um I I I think yeah I think I think your understanding of it

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currently is maybe a simplistic understanding in the idea that like whoops I just thought it and it leaked out and they know like I don't think it

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I think it' be no different than viewing it on a screen on your phone going do I want to say that do I do I want to hit

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send or not it'd be the same thing except instead of having your phone in your hand it would just be you thinking

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it or whatever yeah that's the part that scares me able to review your thing in your brain and be able to say do you

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know okay yeah send or whatever and also um I don't think anyone has this idea of

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replacing relationship it's this idea of cuz a lot of the listening learning

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reading stuff I've done about science things and Ai and robots and neuralink

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all this kind of stuff is what's what's the point the point is to give Freedom back to humans so they don't have to do

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some of the the stuff they do now so they can do other cool stuff sure again

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that's the idea um so you're free now because you know you have that much more efficiency

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to create the world's best art or have the best conversations with your spouse or whatever you know it like frees us up

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to have some of the time now obviously again we can come back from a theological perspective and recognize

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the Bible is pretty clear about we are made to work and that's a big part of who we are and so if you take that way

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cuz this ties into Universal basic income too this idea that like once robots are doing work for us then we

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just start getting divvied up you know certain amounts of dollars that we can use and I don't know it's again there's

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a lot of interesting facets to the Future and like all of these things um

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that to me I look at as more exciting than than fearful in the same way that I

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recognize how far we've come and um and how efficient It's Made to

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this degree like I was saying about the YouTube example and like yeah you know being able to download information to

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our brains but anyway yeah um neuralink um is again their their lofty

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goals are kind of these crazy stuff what they're doing now is way simpler version

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of that to the degree where what they are trying to do right now for my understanding is be be able to get

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someone who can't move their arms and legs to be able to control a mouse on a screen with their brain you know and uh

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even the the host of the podcast kept getting it confused like wow that's amazing you're going to be able to get them to like move their hand to move a

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mouse you're like no no no no no we're skipping all of the Meat part and we're going right from the brain to the

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computer to move a mouse based on how these synapses are firing in your brain sure um and it was just such a like

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almost like disappointing to be like oh that's where you're at but also pretty cool I mean amazing for people that was

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like this these are people who have really terrible situations we can improve their quality of life a little

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bit right cuz now they can communicate with their family by typing on a keyboard you know through their brain

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kind of thing um yeah what do you think about that that where they're at and all that kind of Stu yeah I thought honestly

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my first thought was like wow this is not as much as I thought it was kind of thing it's like well okay we're not

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we're not really at the telepathy part yet or even close yet um which is which is interesting because it's a lot of

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like the big like what you hear about is like all this crazy like mind control type stuff when really like there he's

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like he was very humble in their you know sharing what they know cuz it's

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still not a lot um so yeah and it was really and it was interesting just to hear like yeah these are people that you

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know are really struggling and really have special like circumstances and like they're going to be really helped by

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this um one conversation that we've had in our house recently is just how um

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interesting it is to think about like these really big like topics of like oh yeah like we are you know researching

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like how to have you know people read minds and or like you know what AI can

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do this kind of stuff and I'm like we're just like dang like how is there still like cancer in the world like this is

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the kind of research we're doing or like you know it's like it's man like how are we this far Advanced and then we still

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have people that are like you know dying from the crazy small illnesses in third world

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countries so that was that was actually one of my other thoughts so the two thoughts first being this is this is not

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as crazy far out as I thought and then also like if there are things that are crazy far out how are we still dealing

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with these like seemingly small Advan that we've been working on for like decades so yeah yeah well that gets

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into the money and you know following the money and it's like well be yeah

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because there's not enough money to to fix some of those problems where you know someone like Elon Musk is like I

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really care about brains and and augmenting my brain to be more efficient so I'm going to support this whole thing

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it's like well what about cancer well if Elon Musk gets cancer maybe maybe then

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you know and you know what you bring up a great point because I think so often when we think about topics like this

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it's out there MH you know I don't necessarily by God's grace I don't necessarily have have someone you know

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who has suddenly become a quadriplegic you know in my in my sphere of influence

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at this moment you know and being able to recognize how when something becomes

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personal you know things like this take on a whole different perspective you

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know and I and I think that's the that's part of it for me is it's like I don't necessarily personally have

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that desire to have that innerface in myself but I really really was kind of

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moved by that part and CU there was another part where they talked about the

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lady that had um hearing issues yeah and she had an in her in her face and was

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actually and she you know loved things bird you know and you know when she was

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actually able to hear you know pigeons you know cing that kind of thing it just

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added to her life experience and I think about that in a way that's that's just

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reception alone to be to transmit that was another part for me

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you know individuals who have a perfectly healthy brain you know who

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have somehow been injured to where now the ability to you know basically

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transmit electricity through the rest of my body has been impacted so I have

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there's no doubt that that person would have all the thoughts that they would have all of the feeling you know that

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goes with emotion you know in their brain and just not be able to

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communicate that I mean yeah that's that's huge for that person to be able to do so even as we look at it and say

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well this hasn't this isn't as far along as I thought it was and I think you know like it's crazy to me more so just how

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exponential even like the opportunities are like you don't we don't even probably even completely know the

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potential implications which I think it's super cool and and yes like first glance like it can be a little bit scary

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and a little bit like I don't know how I feel about this but then you think more and more about okay this is how this is

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really going to impact humankind essentially and it is it is really like

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thinking about human advancement and like it's really just like exponential from here if you think about that yeah

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yeah and then you get into I mean again all these conversations tied together so AI is another part of this conver ation

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where um if you get AI involved to where it can um using machine learning start

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to figure out how to where to put those nodes on your brain you know cuz neuralink is essentially putting wires

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attached to certain parts of your brain listening for electrical signals and then saying oh that signal means move

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cursor left that kind of thing right and so if you can bring AI to get involved and say okay but sometimes it means this

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not that and like it starts to learn and then it starts to know okay we should put a note over here note over here and

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like it learns back and forth with you as you learn and you know um it it

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starts to become pretty interesting too again it's it's exponential in the sense that um AI is pretty powerful and um

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yeah and it's also interesting too like because of what they're doing there's significant advances and I think robotic

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assistance in um surgery brain surgery so like he was saying

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humans literally can't do what this robot can do and so cuz basically um the

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host was asking him like how is this possible and how do you get away with it he's basically saying well there's no way we can do it we can't hold still

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enough and you know all that's kind of too many limitations where a robot can be very precise um which I thought that

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was cool because they're also developing stuff that I think will impact the broader you know surgery field you know

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which is yeah um and you were referencing the bird lady um I think her if I if I remember

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correctly she couldn't hear is that correct she had a device that depending on the sounds the birds were were making

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would vibrate differently and so she could tell like all that you know right and um so yeah that was kind of cool and

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that's that is an example of like an augmentation sure right um and that's kind of like you said we're augmented in

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so many ways but everything so far is on the outside you know and so it's not that foreign to us and he also talked

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about a blind person with their stick mhm and basically that stick is just an augmentation device that allows them to

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have a sense that they don't right where they can you know use a stick and he said and then we've Advanced to the

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point where we attach a whole another nervous system to that person and let that nervous system you know see for

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them and that's what a seeing eye dog is right he's like we've gotten to that point where we do that as well so again

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it was cool to kind of hear him put some of these yeah reframe it yeah to be like this isn't that

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um and the steps and so it makes you go oh I can see how they could get to that sooner it almost feels more reachable

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because of yeah it's just an extension of this or making that a little more right uh efficient again right I don't

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know yeah um the other thing that I understood

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about neuralink from the weight but by why blog post because again his was really far reaching was this idea of

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what is conscious conscious and you know he does he's not a white but white guy he's not a Christian he's

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not a Believer he's not theological he's an atheist um so this idea of what makes you you and can we transfer that to

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something else like and when this meat sack you know degrades and F Falls away

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what's to say we can't take this thing that makes us us and put it into another thing that makes us us or save it

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somewhere in a hard drive right and then you know attach it to someone who you

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know I don't know like has a brain injury they have to take that brain out so they whatever I don't know like um so

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he had a lot of thought experiments in terms of what makes us s and can we save that for the future and do different

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things and you know basically store it and hard drive till we have the technology in 100 years to put it on a

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new you know even if it's a robot right but that's me I just have a new body and

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it happens to be you know a robot or whatever which to me was again it's so

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interesting to think about it's very sci-fi but again this is where it ties back into some the theological things

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and ethical things and um yeah I'd love to hear from Mark a little bit because I know that that whole idea probably just

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he's squirming in his se you know I'll I'll be honest none of it made me squirm

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okay in the in the context of here again I think it comes for me it comes back to

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science and being able to recognize yeah there there's a lot that can be learned and I

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also was able to bring it back from the aspect of being able to say okay this

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this makes sense if I'm not willing if I'm not willing might not be the right word

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but if I'm not willing to recognize there's a God and you know my identity

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is given by him from that perspective and being able to say okay something

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about when my life ends I I'm I don't cease to exist you

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follow me so part of what goes on isn't isn't is no longer available here you

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know and that would that is who I am you know so when you think about identity I

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think it's it's far more and from my perspective I think there is this part

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of us that is very spiritual and you know here again not judging the the the

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context of the conversation from a from a biological neurological standpoint I

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would respect all those in you know the individuals there and it just and yet that spiritual component wasn't

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something that was able to be addressed and I'm not sure if we were being honest because he was talking a lot about you

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know the the neocortex the outside and that was another part um just seeing

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that Coral many Coral are Sim um uh look the same as our neocortex in

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our brain you know just made me think about okay that's that's cool because we have the same Creator you know that said

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the brain is shaped this way and I can even make Coral look like that you know just because that's who I am and that's

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what I do and you know and there was just those similarities even between the research they do with pigs and how

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similar that is and you know I've heard that before you know with you know here again burn victims and stuff like that

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they'll do research on pigs but I was thinking about how some of this was devoid of that

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spiritual of the spiritual part that I'm aware of based on who God is and who he's created me to be and I think you

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know that's that's my concern at times that we Elevate technology to a god

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level and we can you know and if you just Free Yourself of this God image you

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can be a more enlightened individual as we're able to uh enhance I think was the word they

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use sometimes you know your abilities and so that that I mean that's

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the stuff that goes through my mind but it it never made me squirm just because

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it makes sense you know if that's the way I think about life H yeah yeah I

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know some of those challenges you're describing are no different than we have right now in the sense that you know

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technology becoming a God or like yeah yeah yeah and I'm you know and I I think

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about it in that context I think you know they they had even mentioned video games being you know advantageous

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possibly for for um surgeons to you know dexterity which I completely understand

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makes perfect sense but does that mean you know that those aren't you know have

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a certain addiction to them as well you know and it's like finding that balance

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that is able to say yes there's advantages and disadvantages to some of this and I think it's the same with the

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information and I when I think about it from the ability of someone who has been

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injured you know and granted they're a long ways away from being able to have

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you know the brain connect with the body in such a way that my limbs are able to

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move I think he he typically refer to that kind of stuff as years away yeah a

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while yeah yeah yeah you know and so I it was it was still it was still inspiring for me when

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I think and I and I think about how I take for granted so many of well my eyes

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and my ears how you know a organ can translate light energy into electrical

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energy you know through my eye and my ears can take that sound you know and

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it's translated into electrical that my brain can you know and it's just really

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a inspiring when I think about how many interfaces we have you know to be able

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