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[Music] welcome to how I see it with me Mark

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Pratt and Justin Sternberg this is a podcast that works to

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countercultural polarization through thoughtful [Music]

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conversations hello testy there we go this is take two this is take two yes

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for the record we just did all of our intro and we were really going strong we were doing great we were you would you

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would subscribe to this podcast so fast if you would have heard what we did not record no doubt no so let's start over

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let's start over again how are you uh I was better the first time were you I'm

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good yeah you're feeling a little more bruised and battered now are you yeah yeah yeah physically yes physically and

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mentally I hear you well we were just talking about how we played Ultimate Frisbee last night so that's what we're

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talking about actually you played ultimate fris you were part of the ultimate you were you were in the air

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and you were on the ground you just had the extremes going you know there's a time where that needs to

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stop though I think I'm getting there cuz I had to get up in the middle of the night to take some Advil so I yeah just

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to make it into the yeah to this studio this morning that's right this is our studio Mark what do you think I I think

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it's I think it works well I think I'm glad to be here by the way this is Mark

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Pratt and this is Justin Sternberg

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and and by this I mean I am Justin Sternberg that's true and this is how I

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see it this is our

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podcast we are uh just kind of kicking off this morning and wanted to come and

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just just share some perspective of how we see it recognizing that uh not

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everybody sees things from the same perspective and maybe in some ways kind

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of our passion if you will is how culture has has polarized that or become

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more polarized yeah and like basically trying to Peg you are you this or are

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you that sure and name it you know and like the goal is to make it as easy as

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possible to identify people and and figure out who they are and um I think

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this podcast is a big idea of it is that we want to talk about what what it looks

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like to be in the middle of those two perspectives like are you a Democrat or are you a republic well what about what

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do it look like to be mostly Democrat with some Republican Tendencies or vice versa like is that possible because

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culture right now has a hard time with that concept or and you take that and you apply it to any polarizing concept

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right and or any Continuum yeah I don't think it always has to be so polarizing

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I think there and I think that becomes part of what we're seeing is there's probably far more areas or continuums if

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you will where we might be able to be very similar and see things from a

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similar perspective but yet there's that one or two or three or four areas that we label

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others by because we notice the extreme based on it being different than how I

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see it yeah and uh there's there's even been times I mean that's a big one of the big

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reasons we even started considering the idea of a podcast is has been many times

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where you and I have started out on kind of different ends of a conversation

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thinking oh you're like that I'm like this and as we talked we realized like

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we continue to you know move towards each other in terms of really understanding we're not that different

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in fact we might think exactly the same thing sure but we came at it from the

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other side of the perspective and arrived at the at that middle where we pretty much agreed this is exactly how I

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would handle this situation or this is exactly how I think about that thing and ended up being the same or very similar

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right yeah and I and I think it's a it's a good point because so often we start

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with a perspective and then through conversation we recognize that that

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perspective wasn't actually that accurate right

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right yep and we we even sometimes do that to ourselves like hold on to a

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certain uh politic keep keep keep coming in mind but like a party line idea right

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and say well I have to believe this cuz this is the party I'm in and just replace party with whatever the topic is

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right but and we'll kind of quote those same things but sometimes again like you're saying we'll overstate the importance of

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certain things just to fit in where we think we belong and maybe we don't even hold to that ideology or at least not as

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strongly as and so then when we put that out for others like you said well now

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it's very difficult for them to see us as anything but that yeah and I know

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well and I think you know you you uh addressed the political end but I think

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there's so much more you know when we think about differences even from our

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gender who where we are going to be you know male and female on different sides of a of of a Continuum and to and you

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know and even as we think about ethnicity and that kind of thing you know it's like there's purpose in it

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all but yet it's easy to say well you believe that just because you you are

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and we fill in the blank yeah versus being able to recognize that there is a purpose in

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this you know difference to be able to learn and to grow and to understand one

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another in ways that we couldn't prior to that conversation and to that end say a a

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primary what we would consider audience of this podcast would be people who like

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like we like the think we are Seekers of Truth people who we don't want to just settle for what the status quo is or

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what what you know what people say they are or what this situation says it is

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but really what is the truth behind it and so being able to have a conversation

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that says I know that you think that way because you're ex and them to say no

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actually here's why I think this way and then for us to go oh do you mean this when you say that no I mean this when I

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say that and that conversation that goes back and forth you work at the truth the

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truth doesn't just surface for free you know you have to work at it to get to the truth in a conversation like that to

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get to someone's true position and true perspective um and it takes you know

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empathic listening right being able to kind of walk over to the other side and say let me hear it from your side and um

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and I and I think what you're getting at from my perspective is what our culture has missed out on is that opportunity to

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build relationship in other words we tend our tendency or when we look at things from

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such a polarized perspective is I Look At You from One facet and therefore you

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are but in the midst of having that conversation I realized that oh you're

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more than just that M and so and I think that plays into our our desire for how I

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see it so if you were to describe yourself and how who you are impacts how

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you see it kind of give us a nutshell of who you are yeah well like I said my

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name is Justin Sternberg and um you know I'm a a typical white middle-aged dad

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you're not typical you're not typical okay good I'm not typical um uh in you

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know in the area of like politics and those kinds of things I would say I'm left leaning centrism like I I I'm

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pretty much right in the middle for a lot of things um but there are some things that I lean left towards uh

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especially in regards to what how I was raised which was very um you know

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Republican is the only way and um again I I keep falling back to politics but

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that that is AIT a pretty defining part of my journey is is kind of coming out

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of that and rethinking things right um and then I'll also say I'm a millennial

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so I I I grew up on the Internet that's a big part of what I mean in fact that's my job right is working on the Internet

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working for the internet um and uh technology is a big part of what I do

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I'm a creative um I like to do music I have uh some younger kids and then you

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know from eight years old to almost 15 years old so um they're still young in

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comparison to your kids um and so family is a huge part of what I do right now and in a pretty important Focus um and

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I'm a Believer in Jesus Christ uh I belong to a church called Generations church here in Southport North Carolina

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and so those are some I would say defining character characteristics about me um sure yeah how about you mark sure

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um yeah it's interesting as I've been uh thinking about just this podcast I think you you think about who you are and what

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you want to say and and like you I I am a believer in Jesus Christ and unlike

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you I'm 52 and you know and I've been married 25

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years and I have young adult children and um I think in a lot of

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cases that how that affects me is I've been

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able to see the cycles that come and go and I and I think about you know even as

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you were sharing on the political I think about you know the mornings when I woke up after elections and thinking oh

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my goodness this is going to be the end you know the world is going to P fall apart in the next four years because

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this political leader has been you know elected and I think from 52 it's like no

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that's not the case anymore and I just see how uh in take one right you know we

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talked about you know how this process of you know cycles that come and go and

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that that would be you know I I'll explain who I am but I want to come back to that Cycle's perspective but part of

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being um I I am probably I'm not anti- technology

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but I think that's one of the bigger differences you you encourage me and you challenge me

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to um use technology whereas I am probably

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I'm not quite anti but you definitely are more you're aware of what's out

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there and and maybe even in some ways like the political I almost choose to

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ignore it in some cases I'm not saying that's a good thing but yet I want to

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avoid those those um those polarizing topics

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or the the repeated you know phrase of this side of

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the spectrum or the repeated phrases of that side of the spectrum and I just want to be able to have these

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conversations that are real and authentic which I think if I if I may

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that you're you're referring to things like social media right where sure yeah where you know we built we I mean really

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what that is when you talk about building quote unquote followers right or or friends you know you're talking

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about building your own Echo chamber right because there's a good chance you're going to shut out those you

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disagree with and you'll Embrace those you agree with and um so that's kind of what you're saying like you'll continue

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to hear the same things over and over again BEC because that's what that's what you want to hear you know it's kind

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of what you build around you um well I think and I think in our media even what

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I click yeah helps reinforce that yeah and I I try from me for me personally I

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want to try and avoid that yeah because I don't want to just be force-fed the

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same things that I think because I believe that adds to the

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polarization absolutely yeah that's what that's why I appreciate you and our

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differences you know when as we've gotten to know one another to be able to

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recognize okay yeah how can these differences that we have be part of our

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learning part of our growth and part of what makes us better MH as Christians as

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Fathers as husbands as you know individuals as men if I may say so just

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from you know I'm not going to be able to always understand you know a female perspective and I think you know that's

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where we can even as men talk about that and saying okay what are you experiencing in your relationship and

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how does that you know flesh out to a certain degree yeah but go back to that

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uh if I if you don't mind kind of that Viewpoint you had of the cycle time yeah

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so yeah what you because what you were talking about in our first take that was not as good as this one so it's a good

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thing we redid it uh we were talking about SE that was the wor you were

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talking about you know at your age or you know in your perspective in life

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youve seen Seasons come and go quite you know 25 years of marriage right um adult

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children you know young adult children um and so that was that was kind of what we were talking about the how Seasons

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come and go and how in every season it sometimes it feels like it's not the end and um I was just describing a um a post

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I saw on social Med media of all places where they they sh kind of showed

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this zoomed out picture of some a trajectory of someone's life and it's kind of a zigzag kind of you know mostly

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pointing upward right just over the course of time a little bit of UPS a little bit of downs um and then they

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zoomed in on one section and it was a downward section and written over that

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downward section it said everything is terrible and it's going to be this way forever true and then they showed a

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zoomed in section of a different place right where it's heading upwards and everything is perfect and it's going to be this way

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forever right it's this idea that uh especially you know as like I think you

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were talking about before as younger married couple or younger parents or whatever before you've seen and lived

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through enough of those Seasons that tends to be the perspective that you take on right sure everything's terrible

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it's going to be this way forever I don't have the job I want my kids are disobedient or they're not getting good

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grades or what whatever it is right like we just think in these we can get stuck in these shortterm yep yep uh thoughts

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um or vice versa you just get a raise and you know whatever yeah good things

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happening all of a sudden it's like I knew my time was coming and this this is what it's meant to be forever and you we

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we tend to lose sight of the fact that uh life is very cyclical and seasonal and yeah and how important that is no

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doubt I think that's that's a huge thing that I'm learning as I get to you know

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later 30s close to 40 is the importance of Seasons not just the reality of them

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and and it's it's funny you mention that because exactly that's kind of exactly what I was thinking is

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how how can I bless others with the fact

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that I have seen many seasons you follow me and and in that kind like when you're

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saying you know the terrible you know I I can remember you know adolescent kids

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that's probably one of the you know Junior High Senior High that kind it's probably one of the tougher cycles that

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we'll experience and for me personally it's being able to say yeah I remember that

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but yet still being able to use that in such a way that encourages you know parents of

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adolescence or you know in that process to be able to encourage in such a way that doesn't seem

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dismissive oh that's just a phase you'll go through it you know to be able to have that that empathy that understands

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but even to be able to offer hope that it doesn't last forever so I have an

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interesting memory in regards to what you just said I remember being in high

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school and going to youth group and I remember I mean I didn't know it at the

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time but I was struggling with depression I you know I didn't have a name for it I I certainly wasn't diagnosed but you know as I've gotten

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older and realize that's a cycle of struggle of my recognize that's exactly what it was and so whatever I was going

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through seemed impossible to get through yeah but when I would communicate those

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things to youth leaders or whatever you know it was like oh you're just a kid your problems you don't even know what

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problems are yet right and that kind of that perspective and I remember and obviously it's still here I clicked

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something in my brain and I said when I get to their age I'm going to be able to listen to those kids and understand how

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hard it is for them because it's so hard for me right now I'm like someone's got

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to remember this and come back and have be able to have these conversations which ironically I think has a lot to do

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with why this podcast is a thing for me right sure to be able to say you have a

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story you have a perspective that's different than mine and just because it's different doesn't mean it's invalid

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sure and there's something there that can be uncovered and and both both sides

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are valuable yeah I think that that can be part you know it's it's not that yeah

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in the midst of that you know one story is more important than the

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other but that ability to say okay I really see where you're at and that's a

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tough thing you're going through MH and yet you know in that process it's not

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just because you know you did this and this it's it's where you're at right now

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and how can I be of help to you not just saying oh well it's a it's a phase and

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it's a cycle everybody goes through you got to endure it it's like what do you need right now mhm yeah can see yeah

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this this may come and and as you and I have talked about your depression you

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know you recognize that if you could just put it in a cycle

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dynamic and know when it's going to happen and you know embrace yourself it

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would be a completely different thing but yet it's in those daily

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moments when you're saying oh I'm experiencing this

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you know that it becomes that it's important to have people to actually recognize and

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understand what you're going through MH yeah and it kind of add to what you

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were saying both perspectives are important I think had someone coming along come along and kind of listened

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right and kind of what what you're saying and then after listening and

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showing that they they're supportive and loving offered that perspective that this your life right now is hard but

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you're going to have more things coming and here's my perspec here's what's happened in my life some of the hard

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things and the good news is you can avoid some of that but yeah you know just the perspective for me to go oh I

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can look up and out of my circumstances to see there's more to life and these

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struggles are hard but they're not at least they're not as hard as that struggle or this struggle that I may or

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may not sometime have to deal with but this person dealt with right yeah um I think that's still an important thing

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when we're you know struggling with any kind of thing to be able to have perspective perspective on my own issue

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and how how difficult it really is both from my perspective as well as like an

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outside perspective as well as perspective on other people and what they're going through and their

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struggles and how they've been able to get through certain things or not you know yeah uh perspective matters so much

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which is the name of this podcast essentially how I see it right um and so

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it's really about embracing perspective I think and I and not and not just for

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the sake of perspective though you follow me with that I think I think

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sometimes we can lose track of who we are in the process of oh I support them

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I support that I support this I I do this when we're not necessarily taking

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into account the ability to be who we are we're just trying to be somebody different than who we are

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MH in a sense I guess there's there's something to be said and probably I'm saying this as a an older person again

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but yet knowing who I am yeah I'm willing to be able to so and I don't

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want to sound contradictory but I'm willing to to be able to support you

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know people who are hurting but yet I'm not necessarily going to support habits that

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continue to hurt individuals you follow me yeah yeah and that's where that's

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where perspective isn't the shouldn't be the end goal truth should be the end

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goal exactly and so like I said truth often lies somewhere between the two

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perspectives right like sure yeah yeah um or you know there's truth in the fact

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that as a teenager life is difficult and there's also truth in the fact that you're a teenager life isn't that

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difficult yeah those are both true right like and so if you can Embrace that

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truth as a teenager yep then that's important you know to be able to say this is hard I do need help I do need to

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seek help I need support from people but at the same time I'm not the most

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important person in this world this isn't the last hard thing I'm going to go through in this world the people

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around me I'm asking for help they have their own hard things they're going through in this world yeah you know

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that's the truth right and I think that comes through

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relationship because I if if and I think about it even your your mentioned adolescence I think of early 20s you

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know to a certain degree where I may think or have the tendency to think that

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I know it all you know so I just do my own thing my own way and I think there's

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advantages to that identity but yet to add humility to that

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in such a way that says okay I don't know all know it all so who can I

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surround myself with to help me understand the things that I don't and

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even call me out when I'm heading towards arrogance see when I was 20 I

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knew everything I didn't want people that do that cuz and

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yeah didn't want right and comfortable with can be two different

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things yeah yeah and I think that's where good

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relationships can kind of supersede even what I may want or even what may be

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easy it's good because I think relationship is hard MH we have to take

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time time for it we have to you know listen to other people in such a way

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that says okay yeah I hear where you're coming from and there may be people that

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say no you know I don't want to hear what you have to say but then again then

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they kind of experience that consequence that natural consequence and they might be more open

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to relationship and influence the second time around so it's not like you know we

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give up on that but I think that's part of what we do here we're not going to be heard by

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everybody and and yet that's our disclaimer if you will this is how I see it yeah and I invite you to share with

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me how you see it yeah and I think you know one

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thing like a philosophical uh perspective that I grew

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up kind of under was that if you basically if you're open-minded you your

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brains might fall out right yeah yeah this idea that U you have to hold very

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strongly to every belief you have because people want to rip it out of you almost IDE and that's a perspective that

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I've kind of come full circle on which is there are deep abiding truths that I hold to um again as a you know Christ

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follower I the Bible is truth to me and so I will go back to that and I that's

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the one thing I can trust no matter what the news is saying or no you know but that being said everything else is on

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the table I you know I want to learn I want to grow I want I want my

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perspective to be as truthful as possible yeah and that's not possible if

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I just cling to my beliefs I had when I was 22 right like yeah I have to be able

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to I mean rethink which is there's a an artist named Adam or not artist author named Adam Grant who wrote a book called

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rethink sure and he's all about that idea of rethinking what you think and um

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so I'm very much for that and not for the purposes of letting my brains fall out or being willy-nilly or not having

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any um values or uh character but for the purpose of gaining stronger values

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gaining stronger character yeah and that's possible you know where I that

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wasn't something that I necessarily stood to be true uh growing up you know no and I and I think you bring up a good

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point because I think you know when we tend to grow up you know growing up in

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church you know I tend to bring that perspective with me into the rest of my

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life of this is what church should be based on what I experienced and I think

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you know much of who we are as adults not that we question that but we're in

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that process of saying okay was this was

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this true you know was was what I was

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taught was what I well you get the idea being taught from a certain perspective

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was that accurate and and I think in church it's easy to kind of grow up and have those

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moments where we say this maybe wasn't quite biblical mhm from that

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perspective you know yeah yeah and I think there's many areas

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you know what it means we can go with church but what does it mean to be uh a

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mom or a father you know a stay-at-home parent you know those kind of things are

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are those okay right based on where I grew how I grew up and

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yet is it something that I need to consider for where I'm at right now with

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my family MH you follow me yeah it's like what is what is what is God leading

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us to do and where to go because I was I was thinking about this you know we um I

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think it's easy for us to recognize you know the power that God has you know but yet we don't always

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think that he wants to use that in our lives right today right here here in

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this moment it's something out there and I think you know as we kind of

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explore you know what God's calling us to we're able to experience more of that

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power to transform or rethink even on a daily basis

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MH yeah and yeah I mean as we're as we're getting into to that side of

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things I mean I think we believe that we have the holy spirit inside of us and so he's if we

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trust him as we should he's not going to allow us to stumble into some terrible

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belief that's anti-biblical and that like that's a prayer that we can sustain

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right like sure show me the truth and again that's really again a lot very

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much what this podcast is about but it's also very much I think the reason we're doing this podcast is because it's very

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much identifies who we are sure you know as people who just two guys who just

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continually are looking for what the truth is in the perspective of what

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God's word says right yeah and so that's important to to say like this podcast I

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think there's going to be a lot of Concepts and stuff that we talk about that aren't necessarily uh how do you put it uh like

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a Bible based yeah oh yeah podcast so to speak yeah but everything that we do is

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going to be completely with that perspective coming from that perspective

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and I and I think if I may add to what you're sharing is that you know Truth

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for the sake of Truth is one thing but I think the fact that we can recognize

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that truth or Walking In Truth offers Freedom yeah and I think that becomes

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part of what we desire to offer yes is the freedom that we've felt by having

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truthful conversations you follow me I don't care whether it's in a hurt I don't care

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whether it's in you know an addiction you know or even just a a

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lifestyle change MH where it's like okay is is looking at that is drinking that

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is smoking that most beneficial mhm you know because we can recognize

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yet it's become part of what we do but yet is there is there a greater freedom

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without that because right now that the fact that I need this or I think I need

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that that's part of what my truth is yeah and I think you know my current but

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yeah there's a there's a freedom when I recognize the real truth that says no I don't need that

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mhm yeah and and yeah you're touching on like one of the themes that will likely

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converge in episodes as we proceed is um your recovery because I've been involved

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with a program called celebrate recovery for over 14 years you've been involved with it as well with me for a couple

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years at least at least sure on top of counseling and the training you got there and so that's these concepts of

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recovery are you know the biblical way of say it renewing our mind right oh sure um is definitely going to be a

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thematic element I think no doubt and I and I think that's where that part you know it's it's when we're able to talk

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with someone we trust with God and someone we trust to

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be able to recognize okay yeah there is something else out there and I'm able to

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unload that burden you know that has been yeah

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await and I find Freedom from it yeah I mean you mentioned freedom and the

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inverse of freedom is bondage right and I mean that's that's what I think of

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when I think of you know a lot of people who are clinging to whatever it was that

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they were taught when they were 12 and saying this has to be what it is I can't let this go yes or else and and it's

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like uh they cling to it as a safety kind of thing but instead what it really

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looks like from outside that perspective is bondage sure is the inability to move

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away from that you are bonded to it right like you are chained to it you have you can't let my security yes has

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become my tomb if you will or the bond

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yeah and so you know you I mean for instance racism I have to believe that

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this is this way or else who am I like if I can't believe I'm superior than this whole other race of people then

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what am I worth in this planet well that's the question you should be asking but instead we're bonded to this

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ideology whatever it is you know and take that and apply like you said substance abuse addiction those kind if

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I don't have this thing how do I solve the problems right that's the truth we

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need to figure out but you know we get get completely tied to those things and

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chained to those things and again the truth will set you free yeah and that's

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that's the goal exactly yeah and I think go ahead I don't want to you know even

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pretend to claim we have a monopoly on Truth our goal is just to try and dig up more of it exactly through perspective

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sure right to be able to think about things a little bit differently than we might have 30 minutes ago right yeah and

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I and I I was and I I was thinking about how that is done in relationship I don't think we can

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Overlook the importance of the fact that you and I have relationship with Jesus

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Christ right in that process of seeking truth because I think you know we can as

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humans we can tend to value relationship over people over our

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relationship with Jesus Christ and I think in in and of that self at that

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point we just have another Idol yeah that's good

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preach trying that to but want to wanna I'm trying to reain in personally

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because I know our tendency to kind of kind of move on and I I want to be a

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little more specific in our oh please do yeah process of but no but I'm saying in

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this process I don't want to just go continue to go on down another path but I want to recognize that we this

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podcast is about offering the truth as we see it based on you know the

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relationship that you and I have with those around us with Jesus Christ in such a way that desires to offer Freedom

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MH to those that may listen even and and I'm not not saying it has to be in some

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profound exhaustive extensive way but I think it's it's more about freedom for

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each day MH and that I mean that is one of my favorite things about some of the

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podcasts I listen to is hearing it at the end of the episode

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you you were offered a little bit of Freedom a little bit of freedom to think about a thing differently you know

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perspective and uh yeah so I think that's definitely

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or and I think it kind of comes back to that um you that timeline you shared

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yeah because I think sometimes in the midst of the tough moment we just need a

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little affirmation MH you know that's what those podcasts provide is just a a

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a opportunity to rethink my day and recognize that yeah someone in

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is interested in my day and it matters my day

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matters and I think you know if if we if we pull that back you know even to when

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you were that Adolescent and you were reaching out how much

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different would your journey have been if someone instead of dismissing the

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fact that that you were a teenager but in if someone had basically

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said you matter MH tell me more about that yeah I I can't even fathom it yeah

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yeah yeah and I don't and I don't think we we do that enough right in that

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process of our daily lives because I I can I can like you

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shared earlier I can be become so internally f Focus so Focus that I'm not

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able to um accept the hope that someone else may offer to

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me I think the theme for today's podcast is go hug a

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teenager I need it even if it's one of your own right

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that's right or especially if it's one of your own yeah I know one thing we

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have down here too is that we want to just recognize the complexity of the topics that we

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discing and we on taking on some big old you know topics and we'll have a fun

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time doing it but with the whatever 40ish minutes that we have to discuss it

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we know we're not going to like I said get a monopoly on the truth and you know get it all dug up and but we'll do some

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digging yeah and I think and I that's that's the be I like that analogy used earlier you know in the aspect of mining

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you know we can get the Nuggets MH you know or even the dust or we can even get

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the corner of the chest uncovered and be like hey we know something's here maybe we can come back to it next episode or

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whatever but um yeah just keep mining keep digging yeah and that'll be the fun

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it will yeah looking forward to it uh should we talk a little bit about

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some guest type of thing oh so like you say I mean yeah I think I think we can

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recognize that you know we're we're going to we're going to do some Mining

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and part of that is going to include other people MH you know to be able to have guests to be able to invite

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individuals you know in here with us as part of the perspective that we desire

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to uh create yeah because we talked about some of our differences but really

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we probably have more similarities than we do differences and so you know some of those similarities obviously white

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middle class middle-aged Believers in Jesus Christ as I said in some ways we've been lay leaders in our church

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we're husbands we're fathers um and like we talked about Seekers of Truth and so

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we have some very similar characteristics and so we recognize even in between us we're not going to be able

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to get too much mining done because we're just going to keep saying a lot of the same things in an agreement which

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will be fun too have someone agree with you that is a big part of like it will

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be fun to bring in some other perspectives and yeah we're not big you know big time people who know you know

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celebrities or anything like that so we're going to bring in like family you know friends in the community uh people

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who are good at what they do you know in our community and just talk about their stuff and it'll just be fun to get a

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different perspective and um we get plenty of celebrity interviews in podcast let's get some let's get some

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regular Joe's in here that's right that'll be the real some important people from where we come from that's

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right that's right I like it um yeah I think that's all we have for today and

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let's I think we got I think there's plenty more but we'll we'll bring it to another episode that's right yeah we got

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a I'm excited mark I'm looking forward to it and I appreciate I appreciate you

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inviting me into the opportunity yes I appreciate you embracing

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technology I'm working on it even though it five against us and we lost the whole

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our first D well you know I I think I dealt with that rather well in the whole

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process I'm still kicking myself that's okay uh all right all right see you how

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