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foreign

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just like I think I think one thing I like to do too is balance some of these things with the

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reality the other side of the reality which the whole thing with plastics and

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that's also produced a world where there's a lot so there's a balance because even as

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we're talking about I think it's important to represent how the other side might see

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it or whatever and understand that there is a lot going on in our planet right

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foreign

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welcome to how I see it with me Mark Pratt and Justin Sternberg this is a

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podcast that works to counter cultural polarization through thoughtful

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conversations Things Are

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gone like the chesterton's fence Thing Mark where we look at a fence and we go that needs to go it's in the way and we

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remove it without knowing why it was put there in the first place and Plastics is an example of that we need to get rid of

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all plastic and yet I think so much of the fact that

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our world's poverty is is decreased over the years is a result of our preservation techniques as a result of

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our manufacturing processes and our shipping processes and they all coincide with this Plastics generation right I

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think it's it's a fascinating balance to what we're seeing it is a

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balance but maybe we just need to make other products maybe we need to go back to more blast stainless steel cast iron

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it can be quite overwhelming right I mean when you really think about everything that you touch tastes smell

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walk-on shoes oh yeah toilet paper yeah and so I think there's

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things you can do and so yeah as as an individual yeah and you can make choices

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we can make choices and that's where as we say demand a change that's where the

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demanded change comes in and it can be overwhelming but it doesn't need to you can think of making one small change

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every day and make that change so it becomes a habit and then add something else on yeah so I'm going to look at all

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my beauty products and let's see what we can don't need or what I can use in this

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place like hotel or the coconut or the sandals maybe we can buy a bidet for our

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toilets and so a little attachment sixty dollars or under just think of the

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toilet paper that you would save in many time and the cost of the toilet paper

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and so that's foreign here in the United States I think not so much so I know

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European nations use them no I don't have that on my toilet yet my husband's walking no but it's funny Mother's Day I

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probably know at least 10 people oh really who haven't really recently put up a day on their toilet in the last 10

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years yeah I want to say it's reasonably recently fast shortish maybe no that's

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definitely where it came from from the people that I know it's like they didn't want to have to deal with that again and

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they found it to be yeah pleasurable right right yeah it prevents hemorrhoids

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yes yeah typically is thought of as a luxury yeah why aren't we doing this why

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aren't we and I'm thinking about your I appreciate what you brought to that as far as concert not conservation so much

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but the um food and hunger and so forth um is like I'm thinking of this the tin

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can does that factor I mean are there things that we're not aware of based on that because signing in some ways that

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can it's not as easy to do as plastic I'm sure because you're only going to

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configure a tin can you can't make a tin can look like you know Mrs Butter's horse as well as you can a plastic jug

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you know I'm thinking about it from a marketing perspective but yeah are those same things um because most

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tin cans now align with us wow there you go

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there well thank you Mary Beth no but since

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if we've been able if we were smart enough to devise the Plastics and

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right we continue to evolve and became it's

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not toxic to the human body and we can make vaccines that are for the preservatives and you know Mercury and

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the Marisol and you can make and so there's a lot of things we can do

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why aren't we

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the battery the faster you can produce the thing that you can keep it viable

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and more money yeah that's that's the nefarious side

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yeah and I think if I had to guess I want to say

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that the percentage of the medical profession that is on the nefarious side is very small I think most medical

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professionals are purveying the system that right you know has some weaknesses

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or whatever but they're not I think you said that already but I

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wanted to repeat that I think there is a side of the medical industry industry probably on the pharmaceutical

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side you know there's this whole thing with the the the the this getting sued for the Oxycontin that

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whole family that whole thing you know that is that's falling on the evil nefarious side of things and I think

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there is an element of that and like I said probably in the pharmacy movies because that's there's so much money in

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that side right uh but I think this is the balance the board the FDA board to me how I see

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it shouldn't the majority of the members

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and so I got you yeah no American gonna nominee

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no thanks no thanks um this you know me Justin that's uh not

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part of who I am but I uh yeah yeah I think go ahead what do you think Justin

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talk with us about I was gonna say I think it would be really awesome if we could have like and maybe we're probably

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gonna have time for all of it here but if we if be willing to put together some list of here's some simple steps you

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could do baby steps because like uh Financial Peace University that's a Dave Ramsey thing and he basically makes

7:07
addressing your Financial Health he simplifies it into some baby steps to

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say you're not going to be Warren Buffett tomorrow but if you do this today you'll get closer to this and if

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you do this tomorrow you get close in this whole concept this baby step to get to where you are making a significant

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change to where you have Financial Health it would be awesome to have because this is all too big for me like

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everything has plastic tin cans have plastic in them so that's right there's that you know shampoo yeah all this

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stuff there's no way to solve all the things but I think what you've been saying if you

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can make small changes you know don't use the tough one get cast iron get

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stainless steel um

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and then reward yourself like so you know your tough Line's falling apart no you're fine the teflon's falling apart

8:04
anyway and so those chemicals are really leaching and so okay we're gonna invest in some cast iron that's gonna last long

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you know um and there's no toxic chemicals getting into your body and so I think if

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you focus on the bucket the bucket is going to flow and so if you can just take away a little piece here and a

8:24
little piece there and a little piece here so the bucket's not overflowing then you notice I'm thinking a little

8:31
bit more clearly today I'm not quite as fatigued why is that I've got more energy from our kids why is that and I

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think when you see the correlation of it on removing one thing here one thing

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there um it does take something and it takes I think where the work comes in is we can

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condition the things that we may need these things so bad canola oil is so bad seed oils

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are so bad so when we go over to Leland's to Northwest Farm

9:05
AJ's wonderful there we buy five pounds five pounds of fats okay

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um it's Taylor it's me fast uh-huh and she and this is always Jeff's job he

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simmers it on the stove to the moisture comes up and we just put it in jars and

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we have a jar in the bathroom that's my skin we have um

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it doesn't need to be refrigerated um

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okay I knew Chris wasn't gonna go for me boiling down be fat independent

10:04
it would be so fun to be able to it's like excuse me ma'am excuse me sir you

10:10
know do you know that that product there causes hair loss it promotes weight gain you know it's like yeah or you can just

10:18
look at someone and you can see well they're losing their eyebrows they've got this did you notice that God

10:25
but I do notice that it's a curse and a blessing because you've been trained to do that five second assessment you look

10:32
at somebody and yeah they're healthier they're not healthy they're healthy you are healthy but

10:38
sometimes I feel like yeah I feel like going or you can see

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that kind of dog walking device right yeah I mean yeah

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quick question I read something the other day and I don't want to get off topic but is it true that there are no

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physical markers okay in other words the only way that a

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person a doctor is like you can't take a blood group and tell someone what

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they're doing is that correct uh no sure it's not correct no but I

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don't know enough about it yet but okay I also listen to several podcasts I think Mark Hyman is really good okay I

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want to listen to and so are you the good ones you like listening to podcasts podcast that is podcasts yes this is one

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of my favorites thank you for taking the debate there

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okay you're one of the three well cool oh wow

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um and so I totally forgot what I was doing you would look the other podcast you'd listen to yeah so the other

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podcast I listen to Mark Hyman he's talked about having marker strong to see what his age

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is his chronological age is 62 but his biological age

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okay so there are tests I'm really curious about it it's on my list of research yeah because I'm curious about

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that too has it become another thing where we promote normal

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based on healthy Society you know that that kind of thing where I I was just because I'd

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read that they're you know short of knowing someone's age there are

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typically not biological markers and I don't know them all yet so okay no

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I appreciate your honesty you're mitochondria how many mitochondria you have the power of houses of yourself

12:40
how long are you telomeres okay proof of DNA right yeah

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so there are okay in your telomeres um

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the telomeres are DNA that we have that cause cells to replicate when you're

12:59
when your cell is really old you want those cells to die off and so you want

13:05
to make new cells and so are yourself dying off any good rings are

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um and they die enough to play yeah and you're doing things to help yourself get

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rid of your own cells okay are you giving your body a time to

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rest

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and I don't I'm not religious about it I'll do it I'll incorporate it for a period of time and I'll go back to this

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whatever I want however I think it's a good way to do with me cool yeah but his whole thing is right his whole

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thing is you give your body enough time it will stop trying to deal with what you're putting into it so that it can

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start paying attention to other things sometimes it's burning pads in times of healing part of your mind whatever but

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it releases it's it's focused from consuming to you know fixing and

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producing whatever that's really cool I think it is too I think it's an American way if it will lose good a lot is better

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right that's right that's right so so you only want to fast for so long and

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depending on your health condition women who are menstruating they don't want this the campus physiologically they

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shouldn't test as much so maybe you just do an intermittent fast and intermittent

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fastest you know you just shorten your eating window you know maybe you want to finish dinner at five breakfast the next

14:44
day so no 9 10 11. um and just you your body time to repair

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and give your digestive system decides the rest um so for me just to put it out there

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like it's very doable for me and but I work for mom so I don't exude a lot of

15:04
energy in my work so I can't speak for someone like Mark who gets up and goes out and builds stuff like you might need

15:10
a little more energy input I can't speak to that but for me it works well to basically try and cut on the eating

15:16
as early as possible I like to snack at night so I try and you know whatever and then just get breakfast and don't do

15:22
basically eat less than I think 50 calories 40 calories until lunchtime right and for me that works I can do

15:29
that and once I start sometimes I'll be a little hungry in the morning once I start working I'm not thinking about it

15:34
so just for the listener like it's pretty doable and I don't feel tortured when I do that right and like I said I

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don't I'm not really just about to go back our body likes to cycle bike okay

15:46
so that's good there you go that's why I'm healthy that's why I cheat the

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systems if you wake up tired today you don't want to do whatever I'm fasting yeah if

15:58
you're a woman in your menstrual cycles ready to start you don't want to do intermittent fasting yeah you know

16:04
you've sort of gotten out of touch with this our bodies feel too that was just kind of what was going through my mind

16:10
is this process of I'm not sure you don't always do a good job of listening

16:16
to our bodies and sometimes we go to someone else to tell us or you know yeah

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I think we've elevated that I don't know what's wrong something's wrong so I need

16:27
to go to someone who can tell me who isn't Authority and I I'm just and that

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that being said that I appreciate you bringing your Authority your voices I

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make to to this opportunity thank you for sharing with us yeah in that process

16:45
yeah yeah yeah and we might we might have to have it back sometime in the future because there's just so much here

16:52
and that's yeah it's just not enough time I mean this is what we always say yeah of almost every topic like these

17:00
things are there's so there's so much depth to it you can keep mining but I feel like like we at least dug some

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nuggets out of the soil at the top at least and I would love if if you're

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willing to have you know some sort of baby step sometimes you talked about the bucket in uh

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yeah yeah what do you call the word though

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no it was an eye it was an i word yeah

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it was an interesting word that's a good word picture um but I would love to have an idea of

17:37
some of those insults that we can potentially limit so like if we just put like a list of 10 things or something

17:43
I'd love to get that from you and it would be really cool that when we promote this episode to say and here's

17:49
this resource you know freely given to that'd be awesome I know I'm putting you

17:55
on the spot on microphones

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that may or may not serve so I might have to edit this out if Marybeth says no thank you I would love to I'm all

18:07
about helping people get well yeah

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and that's the part I think at this time I've become more aware of through this opportunity we've had you know I'm

18:18
thinking about it from a scripture symbol of you know how we we mentioned rest how we mentioned there is a season

18:26
there are Cycles you know and I'm thinking about the fact that you know overall this is a spiritual

18:32
Dynamic and I think as we tend to ignore that I think we do our bodies are more

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insulted I agree you know

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and so when we sin you feel that inside and you need to pay

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attention um if you eat donuts every morning

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and you stop eating them for a while

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you do realize

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if you continue to sin and you can pay attention to this signal you'll do

19:18
something settings and so

19:47
yeah you listen to these episodes and you think it's just overwhelming this is how the world am I supposed to do I

19:54
can't be married Beth like it sounds like she's got a lot of it figured out about the same as you I went through menopause at age 38 years old if a woman

20:02
you're supposed to go through menopause at age 52. apparently when I didn't have a menstrual cycle I went to my doctor

20:08
and wow I went home and cried because I thought at age 38 you know I all of a

20:14
sudden was old yeah that's what happens when you're old so I had to sit down and look at it

20:20
what was my part in adding to this um wow and how can I do things different

20:27
and did I start doing it different right away no I think at age 50

20:32
and now 61. I got really serious and I noticed the difference

20:38
that's awesome I noticed my energy level but the the difference between you and

20:45
me you you started in this industry so you have no I'm not trying to say I

20:52
can't do it I'm trying to set up why it's difficult for those listening

20:57
and how I want you to help us right so with this resource or whatever it's this idea that

21:03
you've been in this industry and then you had like this life thing this life

21:08
Rock Bottom we talk about that in recovery where you hit this point where you say I need to do something different

21:15
so my question is how can you help people like me who's like I'm not bottom I'm fine I'm healthy you said it but I

21:22
still want to integrate some changes I still want to take baby steps and if this this may be set for

21:29
instance intermittent passing is one of those baby steps I've taken who I recognize yeah I can do this so now I'm

21:37
listening to you in my okay what's the next thing and what's it you know and I think how can we speak to that how can we help

21:43
people in that Avenue who are at some crisis point and they don't they're not at this place of

21:49
distrust in the system or whatever they're like I don't know whatever but with some small things that's kind of

21:56
where I'm at is how can we give babies that time can we help long-ramp people so that's all it takes is baby steps

22:02
yeah and you'll notice the difference it's interesting to think about you know

22:09
how many people do actually have to get to That Swing though

22:30
yeah yeah and that that I when those when we reach those moments where our

22:36
identity isn't what we thought it was you know I think that's a that's a

22:41
tremendous opportunity to be able to say okay what do I need to be able to do because suddenly what I thought was

22:49
isn't it and yeah I think that's yeah and

22:54
unfortunately it takes so often getting to that point before we will Implement so I like that aspect of baby steps and

23:02
that's an okay thing two to get to those points really okay I'm ready that mean

23:08
that's as much as I'd love everyone to stop smoking drinking whatever all those things stopping those habits we're part

23:16
of Celebrate Recovery or you know recognize that people come when they're ready to change and that represents all

23:22
kinds of walks of life you know right you can represent Rock Bottom it can just represent okay I've done this long you know it can represent cold turkey

23:29
and I'm ready to whatever um but yeah I think the idea that someone like my daughter

23:36
was like you can start like Dave Ramsey he's a lot of his materials focused on

23:42
people who've hit rock bottom financially right it's this idea that we don't know what the heck we're doing and we're broken and we want to fix it but

23:49
he also speaks to but also set your kids up with the piggy bank or you know a

23:54
savings account and teach them the value of it so that they don't get in the deficits that you that you've gotten

24:01
into my life right and so like in nature yep so those are the kind of things that I think would be awesome too to be able

24:08
to say what's something Mia can start to do or we can say the teacher kids in terms of that piggy bank that can

24:15
contribute towards a lifelong habit of Health that contributes to not Financial

24:21
Health but health health right you know yeah I mean I can give you some now or

24:26
you want a list if you have written are you doing written notes after yeah so yes yes ish uh what I would love to do

24:33
is get you know some sort of doctor whatever it can be in any form you want yeah if you have it already typed out

24:40
well I have just different I've printed some old notes

24:46
yeah so yeah I would love to different cleaning products so let's see I would love to

24:51
promote those full full-fledged resources because whatever documents you

24:56
can give me we can put those on the thing but I would also love to just have like a 10 point blower whatever

25:02
something simple sure and I can make a little PDF and that can be you can downloadable reasons

25:08
that'll be cool yeah because it'd be awesome to have all that but the percentage of people who read all that

25:14
is pretty sure people who would take a uh what we call them call them there's a

25:20
term for it in our in my industry because I do I work for a company that makes these so we're kind of yeah we're

25:27
the bad guys we make the pop-ups I just pointed at a pop-up on a website I have

25:32
to I have to know there's so much more to Justice

25:39
because that's part of my world it's like ooh Justin yeah I don't blame it I

25:45
don't blame you that is until you have a website where I mean dot you respect and he has Baba yeah they just work but

25:54
yeah interesting fact uh when I worked for a web agency building website I we

26:01
built his website not this version but in like five pen versions ago so when

26:06
you said that Hi man I was like that sounds very because his name's kind of funny anyway if you know you know yeah

26:13
so uh so I remember that yeah I didn't know anything about him about

26:20
the site but it's interesting how it comes together oh yeah there's also a

26:26
guy's website we did he was offer and he his big push his big book is blogging on

26:32
things I think sugars you might know the guy's name maybe but uh but I'm that stood up to me

26:40
too these two guys were yeah yeah that's that's another form of plastic it

26:47
is how many how many how many sugars you need have you developed yeah not just the high food we'll say that's an insult

26:54
I have a difficulty saying no to Sugar yeah yeah yeah

27:02
another site that you might be interested in have you ever heard of cancer tutor.com no it was big passion I

27:10
wanted you to know many people with cancer but well I went to several

27:16
medical seminars that were integrated

27:21
yeah so their push is kind of more natural as well and we did their website at an

27:28
agency I worked at as well this is not the version I built but um but yeah is that was my bit it's interesting yeah so

27:36
you might be interested in that one you're very interested in that one well I'm glad we've been here Justin I

27:41
should say has been able to give you some food so I have to take home as well yeah from you guys um

27:49
Mark I think you've shown me how what will it takes to make a difference

27:55
in people's life you've taught me about time management like I've flounder now

28:00
like I've hit her tired now yeah so yeah since I've come here and it makes me crazy I like to have more purpose and so

28:07
thank you and Chris is purpose right I watched Justin and Maddie perfect scene

28:13
with the lives because you touch um we all need accountability Partners right we all need somebody to show us

28:21
how we can do like differently how we can make the most of the life

28:28
that God's given us right yeah

28:54
and so because that's not healthy either um it's a balance yeah it has most

29:00
things in life and moderation I I feel like that's one that you know you're

29:06
talking about American culture and you've just gotten away from the the idea and the importance of moderation is

29:13
how you know a little bit of something is probably not going to hurt you you're like your

29:18
body can compensate or whatever but it's our if a little is good then a lot is great

29:23
that's not the way it is yeah it's just not accurate Body Works or really not

29:30
anything in life you know accountability partners are huge

29:37
terminology there's certain connotations that comes with it yeah again from a spiritual aspect

29:43
um my husband and I recently went through a difficult time and um it works with Chris

29:49
sent me um psalm 16 and I read through it and all that stress that was building up

29:55
from what I knew is ahead of me it went away and he has this thing

30:02
um Mark sent um a snapshot prayer from this Persian I

30:07
prepare a journal my husband doesn't do a prayer Journal my husband didn't used to do devotions every day you know so

30:13
devotions every day and so yeah some of that is the prompting of the Holy Spirit and some of it is the people that God

30:20
brings into our lives it teaches a better way you just don't know A Better Way sadly right yeah plus I mean I could

30:30
do eight episodes on accountability it's just to me one of the most crucial things in my life and I believe in

30:36
anyone's whether they do it or not but um yeah I think sometimes you have a desire

30:44
to change but not be a locality or visuals the tools yeah I think tools is

30:51
probably accurate because it's like you want to change but you don't know how and the barriers to changing are greater

30:57
than your ability or desire to change and so in recovery we talk about how a

31:03
lot of times you won't change until your pain is greater than your fear of change but there are things we can do in life

31:10
that is largely what Celebrate Recovery is all about is this removing some of the pain so that now change is easier

31:16
right instead of like keep increasing the pain to where now you you have to change like we can do some things to go

31:22
oh yeah I can change it's the same way yeah right yeah yeah just decrease some of the insults and then you feel good

31:29
enough that you can make the change I was thinking about that too it just kind of came to mind as far as you were

31:34
talking about snacking I think that's become an American way you know that we

31:40
put stuff in our bodies pretty much as long as we're awake and I was thinking

31:45
about that too what would you say like for people who desire That Snack what would be a healthy snack it's like yeah

31:52
nuts are they healthy apparently not nuts thinking of those bats it's like you

31:58
know someone like Justin like excuse me like myself who basically says yeah I

32:04
like to snack it and I eat granted it's not the best thing for me but if I'm not gonna quit

32:09
you know what is something that's actually not an insult okay how about

32:16
something that's like if you're snacking at night

32:23
um this may sound gross but um you could take a tablespoon of coconut oil you

32:28
could put in a little bit of stevia okay

32:37
or a little dance yeah honey would be better but um and if

32:44
you really like chocolate how about some KO okay like so I mix up a big jar it's

32:51
in the cupboard so it's her Nutella yeah but that's a healthy nut I understand

32:58
yeah yeah coconut oil is a fat so it's satisfying okay

33:03
um and so and I need a little chocolate so there it is right

33:09
it's almost dinner time but I'm really hungry or um yeah you need it also another PDF

33:17
yeah that's I was just I was thinking about that in the context of it's not

33:23
always about just I can't pass snacks yeah but what's something a baby step

33:28
that I can do that is less insulting to my body maybe it's kind of blood

33:34
I wanted to do a Blog and talked about Beach life it's a homesteading oh yeah

33:40
you do that one as well I was under the impression it would take because we want to be healthier I was under the

33:46
impression that blogs took a lot of time and learned that I did it so again why did you show me

33:52
well they do take a long time but so does that yeah and but that could be there

33:59
and I could say we posted a link to Maryville yeah

34:13
is because I'm like this should be there so that we can share like I'm like how

34:20
we need a whole section of our website just for helping so that we get and I'm like no she really that'd be amazing

34:28
yeah anyway we didn't get to that a rainbow yeah yeah we'll have you back well

34:35
you're moving we do the same thing we can do it yeah yeah like I I I've given

34:41
up developing this because I know with Mark it's not we're not getting there but

34:48
it's good is that just me I'm like I really like the ones you guys did on the Holy Spirit oh gosh it was excellent and

34:55
yeah I guess there was no like agenda right right the Holy Spirit right the Holy Spirit probably does have an agenda

35:02
well he moves in Us in different ways yeah and that's really no I'm doing it to you

35:09
that's what we do though is uh and I hope it's good I think it's good but that's our style and we recognize

35:18
um I don't know it could always be better but this is what we're good at is what we can do consistently and yes and the

35:26
Holy Spirit episode was not planned like you came in that morning you came in that morning he said thinking about the

35:33
Holy Spirit I read this thing what do you think about the Holy Spirit we started talking we're like you know we should record this so I love that and we

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just went you know and so that's why there wasn't scripture references and there's and my wife is kind of like yeah

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be careful with that kind of stuff I'm like you know but that's where we kind of continue to establish this concept of

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yes but this is how we will see it it's we're not meant to tell you how you know

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what you're meant to believe about right spirit this is this is what I've seen this is what we've learned this is this

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is the conversations we have conversations yeah we're just letting you in on conversations and you don't

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have to agree you don't have to like it you know right um yeah so but so in that in that aspect

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of conversations and be ready for some questions because people are automatically going to come to justify

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after this one okay and they're gonna want more information they're going to want to know and I know you do that's

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part of what I really appreciate is all the assistance you've given to Christians like you know clients and so

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forth It's just uh yeah you're a tremendous resource yeah because I feel like I

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I realized I shouldn't have gotten into a course I didn't have an undergraduate degree I was one of 800 applicants how

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did I get in there and when I looked back over my life um I know it was only by the grace of God

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so it's hard to me feels like have I let God down maybe that's a good

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thing to say you're a bad way to work but what am I doing if this gift is getting

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health and my journey of Health to clinical research getting drugs on the

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market through Integrative Health through emergency medicine it's just such a broad background of all what

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medicine is and so do I just say bye it was a nice life it's just not

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but there are yeah yeah you've given her both a podcast

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the cool thing about stuff like this too is um

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baby steps it's it always comes back to what's the smallest version of this that

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I can do consistently if if you want to yeah it's this is so I have a snack and

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Mark gets it from me too is like as soon as I hear a sense of desire for purpose and one I'm like well here's what have

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you thought about it it's like I'm trying to like people I'm trying to give you a little baby ramp that says you

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know you don't have to you're thinking of this version of you but how do you get to that version but anyways I like

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babysit what's the smallest version of what you could do to feel that sense of purpose that you're somewhat feeling

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this calling towards and we just we recorded and we haven't released it yet

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episode of mission statements and at one point Mark's like what do you he asked

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the question how do you talk to someone who's retired who's and this idea of

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beginning with the end in mind is like well the end is you know I I've already lived my life how do I how do how do you

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speak to them it's like well it doesn't matter at any point in your life you can go what do I want to look like in five years ten years when I die and what can

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I do today to start walking that direction right

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right you go to college you have school or your parents help you along but a profession is not identity it's not

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identity but it becomes that it does when you lose that identity it's like well what now yeah but then do you

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really plan for your retirement my health is still good

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yeah you know do I just yeah go lay in the Sun and drink a beer yeah at the

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beach and then I arrive and it's like

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what do I do now right and for what it's worth I don't think there's anything wrong I think what's wrong is when we have

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that thing that process and we drown it in beer in the beach right right because

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it's like and that I believe that's the Holy Spirit prompting us and as someone

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who's retired and spent years in that grueling field you know I don't necessarily think you have to go

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back into this grueling second part it could be something small or whatever to

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only touch one another how come they don't love one another It's gotta commands us together yeah yeah

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it's very cool because I just hear all you have to say I'd like to hear them I think that God

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um tells us things several times if he needs for us to do the room for it so we

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just had visitors here a few weeks ago and um one of our visitors Lauren prompted

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me to do think about a blog or a podcast so she said why don't you do Mutual Life

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to home studying and she said you can just take the healthy aspect on it and the reasons why you're doing it and so

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that was two weeks ago and now I'm here I am again so I'm gonna set up an email

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repeating email reminders like hey how's that Vlog coming that'll be here

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have you done your blog yet yes or no that's great yeah have you written

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anything today Mary Beth click yes or no yeah do you like writing I do yeah

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I mean baby steps could be 30 minutes

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before or whatever and maybe you don't finish your pills in

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30 minutes but it doesn't matter you're doing it tomorrow you got from

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now until you're dead so whatever you produce in that time is is more than you produced had you not

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said so why did you guys start this why didn't we start this Mark I'm I'm

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not I can defer I don't have an issue okay well I'll just share my perspective how I see it is that Mark and I we would

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meet regularly for accountability every other Wednesday morning and we would have you know just conversations who

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very much like these episodes and so we would talk about something like the Holy

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Spirit and very unstructured very unstructured and yet

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significant I think this that's a good word for um it felt so fruitful to have these

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conversations because and and often like he and I have

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a different kind of we're kind of different now we're kind

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of different yeah like he's a hunter he's a farmer he's a builder he's got a beard he's

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it took a year generation after me right yeah and I'm a techie I'm whatever my

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life stage with my kids is

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you know so we're just we come at things we're slightly different perspective I would argue that he comes from a

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conservative perspective I grew up in that like very Republican very conservative and I'm still that way I

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think when we're talking about spectrums like Mark and I are here you know like both sides of that kind of middle or

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whatever but I veered more towards the social dynamics of politics to where uh

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like to build the wall thing for instance like it broke my heart that we're saying sorry Mexican lady with two

43:32
kids there's a wall now but I also understand that you know so it's like so we would have these conversations

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kind of coming from slightly slightly skewed positions and recognize that

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we're actually very close you know and when it comes down to it in almost everything but we see it differently

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right that makes sense it does make sense it's perfect and so that's yeah

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and I think part of it you know through us having those conversations

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and learning from one another I think part of the passion became in in that

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era coming out of coded and politics and you know going through that elections

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and vaccines it's like we're such polarization

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not the make it sound dramatic but it kind of broke our hearts to a degree

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kind of that aspect of oh this much of you I see and that's who you are and you

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need to stay over there that's how it was yeah and I think in some ways still

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is and I think that's where our passion became okay how do we have these discussions in such a way that promotes

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that promotions yeah so it's it's not necessarily about even what we had to

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say as much as advocating for this concept of Conversation Over polarization exactly and and what we

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have to say right yeah a broader goal is more about that

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producing yes the interest in any of this conversation it helps you to think a different way

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yeah be a little softer to somebody else's perspective and even though

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empathy even though your goal is the same or you're on the same page or you want the same things yes give me room to

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find out you're almost the same person

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because we disagree about this yeah where there's all of this and they were

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still very similar so I think that's where the Passions

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came out at that time yeah and like you know even in what you were talking

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about it's like how do you how do you change that system it's like you don't

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it's too big it's out there it's in my circle of concern but it's not in my

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circle of influence which is much smaller I don't know if I agree with that

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so for us it was like what can Mark and I do to fix the polarization out there

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well that's too broad but what can we can have conversations

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what can we do to make inroads to do something now I don't have any you know

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misgivings I I don't think we're gonna blow up the world and everything it's gonna change but if it changes one

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person that's good enough for me if it helps one person think how can I give

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room for conversation instead of instant judgment instant pigeon hauling that's a

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win right it is and and that person hopefully can produce that changes change it to snowballs yeah

47:07
that's the whole right and it does when I listen to the Holy Spirit I was painting the screen porch so I was

47:14
painting it's like oh what did you say that was so good so I get back down off the ladder I back it up then I get back

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on the letter I must have done I had so much exercise today going up and down yeah get my stuff

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that's funny I think in the medical field is maybe really easier to change

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well it's about what patients demand and so I did somewhere in these notes I have down I mean you basically you just don't

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go to that doctor I mean if they if they can't listen if they can't offer a better solution if they don't if they

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say to you there's nothing you can do for a Hashimoto's autoimmune disease you just need to you can question them

47:54
or you just need to go to another doctor and if going to another doctor names maybe you have to go to another city

48:01
a couple times a year because a different city a couple times a year to get the labs drawn and to get the

48:07
medications you need or I'm just using yeah and so um if you can't find a doctor in

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your city um you can get um ifm's websites functional medicine resci

48:23
stand for and integrate a functional medicine and they've got doctors in your area you can look at

48:31
if you have Integrative Health and functional medicine everywhere but if you click on their website you'll see

48:38
aesthetic medicine you know beautifying your skin you don't

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want to go maybe that is what you want to go over if you want to go for it there it is it's everywhere but if

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you're looking for someone to help you with your Hashimoto's yeah that's probably not where you want to go

48:57
put some Botox that's fascinating but even that's a babysitter

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that's something you can do really you can question your doctors which is a huge step prescription advice yeah can I

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do it with that yeah that's a very easy baby step when they give you a prescription for anything saying is

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there a way I can do it without this prescription is that accurate correct I

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think a lot of times you will hear um no yeah

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um I recently went to a doctor here that said I don't know um I was actually asking which is way

49:37
better than which is way better yeah I have a huge ego he said I don't know

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he said get me some literature so if your doctor's saying I don't know what

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he wants to know and says give me some literature it's probably a good person you can learn together right

49:54
they're still going to heal versus and the good news is generally across the

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board I think and this is something the market I'm talking about is that the

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next generation is valuing authenticity over a board you know so a doctor says I don't know

50:14
give me some literature generally is going to be more respected by the generations that are coming

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then well then you know no you can't do something different like kind of the authoritative approach where it wasn't

50:27
that way and I think that largely plays into how the system got to be the way it

50:32
is is because and he said the generations expected Authority and if you don't show

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Authority you're obviously don't know what you're doing I'm going to somebody right and is your patient-based dwindles

50:44
because you're also so it comes how fast does your patient face growing

50:49
how many what is your patient-based and so if patients aren't willing or they

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want a different way that they don't want the bill um the prescription

51:05
that happens enough I mean most Physicians they're all bright right how

51:11
did you get into med school how did you get through med school so um the system doesn't give you time to

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read and learn more

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yeah yeah I had to make your paycheck your own

51:31
which there will always be those people who provide me information right you

51:36
know because it's easier right you know it's like oh this helps this this and this and this and this okay now I know

51:43
researcher yeah she's saying that she yes she felt

51:53
that rainfall um it was when I was actually doing research and so I needed a lot of

51:59
diabetes studies and one of my patients said to me well on Tuesdays and

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Thursdays I don't eat until dinner time I was like what I was floored by that this was probably about 12 years ago and

52:12
you said that's the only way I've found that I can control my blood sugar and it's actually reversing itself and like

52:19
all the light bulbs and so I'm like excuse me bursting is diabetes

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and so I think you have to maintain for health care providers that we have their

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passion with

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this is a you know what we're going to have judge Jason's disco on this I guess soon and

52:45
one of the things I'd love to talk about is how you'd be it a

52:51
politician of Integrity when the entire system is built to force you into

52:56
compromise and I think the health care is similar in that the system is

53:03
is built to produce certain kinds of Agents right that

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arguably isn't the correct way to do it like if you when it comes to advocacy

53:14
for your patients which is what the Hippocratic Oath is all about right right it is Do no harm or whatever

53:20
and yet the system is built to not consider that as the highest good how do

53:28
you be that in that you know and I think that's I think some of it too is so we

53:35
all need to make a living and we need a paycheck yeah um we are still our independent groups

53:41
out there that are owned by the mega Advance yeah systems that are out there

53:49
and so in working for an individual or practice they your paycheck will most likely be

53:57
helped um yeah yeah because

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go to an Integrated Health office it was very rewarding for me that was scary

54:08
um to have a patient there and I saw her history ahead of time and she had been

54:13
to I think 13 doctors for every condition she had antibodies that were Sky High

54:21
um we were in an Airy fairy office where there was soft music in low life

54:26
it was it was you went hard and fast but it made a difference in that it helped

54:33
the bodies to heal instead of giving a prescription so I found it very rewarding because my paycheck is high no

54:38
yeah and so um

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and if you're you know believer who desires to

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serve the Kingdom right right then a paycheck is not the highest goal and I

54:56
think I think we all come to that conclusion at some point or should and

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if we don't then when we die we will we will learn that but but I think

55:08
yeah generally speaking across any industry the paycheck should not be perhaps

55:15
getting you know the highest point and if it is then well you're probably not our audience

55:21
anyway you know what I mean that's true because I think I just don't think

55:26
maybe maybe they are yeah

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and right and maybe think a different way right and maybe that's never been positioned as this

55:43
isn't the highest good and maybe this is the you know this could be the first time that it's even

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presented and uh yeah yeah

55:57
we need more than two listeners I think we're at like what 35. that's all huh

56:04
yeah we dropped oh yeah really oh yeah so you

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see um now when just people are at it are they like you or whatever so how does it how does it work how do you see that

56:17
your audience is growing or falling so we have uh analytics in

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it basically tells us kind of the average estimated audience tells us the

56:29
unique listeners in the last seven days and this is based on recent episodes of Mark so at some point you know we had a

56:36
pretty decent internet

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no I mean it's the enemy right well that's the thing we're talking about is

56:47
yeah there's various parts to this but one of those things that I recognize that we talked about is anything worth

56:54
doing takes work takes time takes building a building phase and Foundation

57:00
yeah Foundation right so we recognize it it could require 52 episodes it could

57:06
require you know and then 104 episodes two years right and

57:12
that 37 like you said doesn't represent 37 people who kind of

57:20
patronized us is that sure I'll listen it represents people who care about what we have to say and theoretically The

57:27
Snowball Effect is happening in their life to where the things we have to share the things that we've learned they

57:32
are now learning without having to go through the junk that maybe we did and so you know it's it's not about numbers

57:38
and we kind of committed that from the very beginning in prayer and and that kind of thing to recognize

57:44
like you said we're gonna touch one person right yeah yeah for me to get up

57:50
and down off my painting line or so many times that's really cool here I appreciate that's a great yeah did we go

57:56
did we go up with last week I I think the one on the wives has been yeah that's it's been a boost yeah and that's

58:04
why I'm surprised we're at 37. I heard the first one well that's good yeah you know they have

58:09
something yeah yeah so good that's the best story yeah I was gonna text her but

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I thought I'll just leave him alone yes you can't wrap it up much better

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than that other than saying this is how we see it

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yeah word directly like I'm already uh feeling that dry

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mouth that yeah yeah we'll give you a water bottle there I gave her glasses I

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haven't even tried it it's all good

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I will