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Mark Pratt and just in Sternberg this is a podcast that works to countercultural

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thought so yes let us know or if they were encouraging feel free to let us know that too I don't know that we can

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guarantee the background every week that's true but that's true but we can

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there is a season wasn't that by the birds is a season yes yes there is a season right now the season is perfect

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because we got the window open yep and it's you know early morning and it's just beautiful yes indeed temperature is

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beautiful the birds are beautiful it's good to be out it is I've been thinking

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about this Mark what you been thinking about when we get to the summer months yeah where we going it's gonna be hot oh

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and then I'm going to have to run that thing air conditioner air conditioner so get ready folks well we can adapt maybe

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you might be allow yeah we might have to adapt just you have to bear with us CU

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it out talk about this being a studio but it's actually just my

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office which happens to be our student it does yes yes we get swe it out that's

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right for one episode so so as you think about what lies

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ahead we as we think of Seasons we think of Summer coming what's our topic for the morning

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our topic is thinking ahead uh about mission

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statements this idea that um I mean that sounds like when you hear it like that

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or you see it written down on our topics list mission statements it's like what we're GNA what we're going to do a whole

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topic or whole episode on mission statements what are you talking about yeah um but I think it's important to

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understand the value of them in the bigger picture and not just the value of like a mission statement but what what

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values a mission statement is encompassing so yeah talk talk with me

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bring somebody back who just heard mission statement and they thought of

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the word budget or they thought of the word Finance report corporate corporate

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industry yes bring somebody back yeah well the problem with that

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understanding of Miss mission statements is it's kind of nonsense right like ah

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it's just jargon you throw on a wall to to try and force a particular culture

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and it feels a little forced or it feels fake right yeah is that yeah I i' yeah

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so in in my view there's there's negative value in producing a

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mission statement like that so would it be fair to say that everybody should

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have one as far as you're concerned well I think it depends on what you define as

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a mission statement but again I think the the importance is the value values

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behind it more so than than the the actual physical thing you produce

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whether it's a mission statement or WR writing a list of goals that's why I was just thinking the same thing what makes

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a mission statement separate from goals and um if I'm hearing you correctly it doesn't have to be yeah I I I'm kind of

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a I typically tend to be a person who doesn't put a whole lot of rules behind

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things that you do to uh increase your discipline increase your like if you're

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doing something beneficial you know like it's okay if you don't get hung up on

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whether it's a mission statement or you just write a list of goals either one of those things are going to help you and

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you can iterate over time sure but does that make sense so yeah but I in terms

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of what a mission statement actually is it's more of a story it's more of an idea a story of a picture if you will

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sure of someone that you would like to see in the future the version of you that you'd like to see in the future in

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cases of Corporations if Done Right a mission statement embodies the values of

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a corporation and you see those values in every interaction with your bosses

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you see it in your paycheck you see it in the benefits you see it in when

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someone's sick how that gets handled you see it um like when someone's doing

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poorly and how that's handled and how they're encouraged or not and you see

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how Replacements come in you see a COR corporation's values in in almost every

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interaction with that Corporation you know especially as an employee and a mission statement is

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meant to embody those values it's meant to say here's our story based on those values sure you

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know um and so it's basically saying we are the kind of corporation that does this in this way and for these reasons

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sure and it's kind of like a goal but it's more of a like I said more of a development of a character than a

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corporate character yes and even that corporate even that Corporation is made

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up of individuals who would share that Vision if you will not necess but that

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that desire to change their own personal character to

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assimilate right and I think again if a company does it right

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they're not going to get everybody because not everyone's going to have the same values as every company I that's

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that's ludicrous right but if they do it right you can attract the kind of people that will align with your values and

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you'll be successful they'll be successful because you're on in the same boat so to speak right you have the

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right people on the bus and ideally you know on the right seat on the bus um and

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I think about like my company um we talk about our company values all the time I work for company called aimotive and

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I've worked for quite a few companies and this is um I think very highly of

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this company and the reason is they have values and they stick to them and if you

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put all their values together it would be what I call their mission statement because it's just sure five basically

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rules values the first one is we put people first always the second is we do

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the right thing every time the third is we fight for customer success fourth we commit to Excellence by paying paying

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attention to details and five is we labor for Simplicity and like again if you put that package together to me

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that's a mission statement right it's it's a definition of a character that we want to be or that we want the

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corporation to be and the reason that I enjoy working at this company so much is

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that they truly do embody those principles and I happen to agree with those principles in almost every way

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that they facilitate them within the corporation which means there's alignment which means there's Integrity

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going back to that concept not like we uh we super uh moral but that there's a

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structural Integrity with the company because all parts for the most part are aligned now it's not perfect but no and

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that's it's funny you bring that second one we do the right thing every time

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yeah that one's an interesting one yes it is yeah and I would you know it's like it can almost sound

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arrogant yeah yeah that we do the right thing because that's who we are and yet

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it it can if the other side if you will the Continuum is we have we we have to

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rustle with that at times yeah I would say that one's a sticking point more

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than the other one simply because what is right in each circumstance sometimes what is right is right for the

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corporation itself MH because it benefits us it increases our bottom line

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which means everybody wins and a corporation of 200 plus people all you know the the tide is rising and all

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boats are rising right sometimes we flip the script and most I mean you can see that we fight for customer success is

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the next one down and we put people first is the first one like sometimes the script is flipped and the right

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thing is for the customer like but the right thing is that that can be a fuzzy

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one yeah um but it's still a helpful Paradigm because it's like well we could

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do this lesser thing and kind of cheat the thing in whatever that answer is

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whatever that solution is or we could do the right thing we know what the right thing is let's just do that now instead

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of this Band-Aid fix or whatever so that's kind of meant to be more of like a don't shoot for a lesser goal but

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shoot for the right thing you know no I hear you and I and I think I think even as

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individuals we can often wrestle with that yeah knowing what the right thing

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is but yet it's going to cost us more it's going to cost us more time it's

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going to cost us more whatever materials I'm thinking of from my perspective you know in a

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construction world you know it's like do I fix that thing correctly or do I put a

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Band-Aid on it that says okay that will look good from the surface yeah and I

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and I and I guess that's what I'm as as you and I are discussing you know there you're talking about it from a a

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corporate entity and yet so much of this can be brought back to the

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individual as well and I and I and I guess I I think of that even from you

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know some of our listeners and people who have said you know we enjoy you know and because not everybody that listens

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to this podcast is in a corporation right yep and so I'm I'm thinking about

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it it's like and and I think for me I'll I'll admit um it's it hasn't been till probably in

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the re recent most recent years that I've been uh elbow to Elbow or shoulder

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to shoulder with you enough to recognize that you know yeah if I may

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that beginning with the end in mind type thing to be able to have a story that

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you write in hopes of that becoming the

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story cuz I'm I'm not I'm not there yet and so I think that's where the mission

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statement comes and and you had a another uh yeah yeah so you know you you you

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mentioned begin with the end of the mind which is you know one of the seven habits and the seven habits for a highly

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effective people book by Stephen cubby which um we may have referenced before

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we'll reference I'll reference a million more times on this podcast I'm sorry just read the book and you can stop

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listening we can put out stop listening we need to put that on the link at least that's right yeah you can remind me that

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I I will I will do so yeah but he talks about beginning with the end in mind it's one of the chapters in this book

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and you also said we're talking about corporate mission statements but it can also work on a personal level and that's

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really what that chapter is about is kind of the personal mission statement

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and his whole point is beginning with the end in mind and so one of my favorite parts of that chapter is the

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very beginning he walks is through this kind of mental exercise he says you know

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picture that you're in a church and you're walking up the aisles and as you do you notice people are a little bit

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teary eyed some people are sobbing you know and you're just walking up the aisle and you're paying attention to

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who's there oh you know uncle Bobby's here that's interesting and get closer to the front or you realize oh this is

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more of my family and of course as you walk up to the casket you know you look in and guess what it's you you're dead

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and you just happen to be looking in on this funeral situation and he says as you walk back out the back door and P

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all these people what are they saying about you what do they think about you

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what is it that they have in their mind that you were as a person that they're now kind of bringing to the surface here

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in this event and does it align with who it is

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that you want them to think you are right like what are the things you want to hear from them what are the results

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you want to have at that point in your life that that would be part of what they you know embody and he's saying

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that is beginning with the end in mind that is saying look to that place and figure out how you can get there figure

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out what it is you want to be and that is your mission statement right like sure and even you know we were talking

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about this kind of corporate well the values we're talking about the values and it's not act I would say it's it's

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not quite far enough to say that's a mission statement because when you say well what is the right thing what

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determines that is who the character you want to be in your mission statement right like sure I want to be a

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successful businessman who you know makes x amount of dollars and whatever

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well then the right thing might tilt towards the business side of making sure it's

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profitable if your mission statement says I want to be a man of Integrity you know man who people look to and say that

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guy is trustworthy and they you know at that point at my death they say you

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could trust them with anything and um if you ever wondered if you ever needed

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advice about the right thing to do like they would come to that person right if

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you wanted that picture then that would you would describe that in your mission statement and then when your value is we

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do the right thing every time it's it's a little bit clearer about what that

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looks like right sure your values can align with that character the Persona that you you've built and you know a

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mission statement can be like I said a paragraph eight paragraphs sure two

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pages like it's a story essentially and however you

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can develop that into a package that is memorable referenceable yeah

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usable then you can begin to operate on it you know and even the smallest things

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and I think it's interesting I think as as you were sharing you know the business man that wants to make it

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profitable and you know the person who might want to you know live a life of

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Integrity we're not saying those two things have to be separate right you

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know and and and I think part of that I think at times we can almost separate

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those well it's just about the business I have to be but I think there is the ability you know in a in in our design

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to be able to say no sometimes the most sometimes I have to take a

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loss to be able to be more marketable if I may use that

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terminology you follow me in a in a sense that says yes it would be better

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for me as an individual and as a company to do that right thing even if I have to

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take a loss and long term that will probably serve me better than just

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having a single-minded aspect of profit is my

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number one energy you've all and and I think

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that's yeah I was thinking about it so much with that that casket type moment

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go ahead you were I see I want to hear I want to hear what you're saying well no I was thinking about from that cast type

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moment as far as how that would impact our daily

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decisions you follow me in that in that sense of okay who do I want to be and

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what am I doing in this very moment that is counter to who I want to be and I

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think that's where it comes you know that's where for me the mission statement becomes personal yes and any

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individual I you know 13 something to 73

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something can basically still adopt that Dynamic and I think you

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know we have these aha moments in life

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that basically challenge some of our paradigms if you will right you know someone who might have just found out

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they have cancer someone who just found out they're expecting MH you know all of

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these little big situations can tend to affect how I view

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what matters right yes and I think those are those are part of the things that

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help us shape you know or can help us shape that mission statement and I there there are

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also the things that cannot us a skew without you know without mission

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statement without that beginning with the end in mind it can be you know I'm you're you're 19 years old going off to

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college say I'm going to be a world-renowned architect and then by 20 you're your girlfriend's pregnant and

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you're now figuring out life through that lens and that North Star has been

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shifted right and it's and it's I'm not saying uh that

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in in real life that doesn't have to affect the dream it just obviously is going to cause a whole different set of

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circumstances and paths that you have to take but it does not have to offset that if that is your end in mind sure the

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problem is when we don't articulate those things and we don't Define those things it's easy to go well I guess this

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is where I am now and someday I can get back to that but now your vision is skewed over

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here and I think I I was thinking about another uh really

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good book called principle of the path by an Andy Stanley another another link we got to put in there sure um it's such

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a good book and it's essentially the beginning with the end in mind as a book but he talks about exactly what you

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said which is when you know where you want to go you see the the destination

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in the distance you've marked it youve plotted it on a map then you can look down at your feet right now and say are

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they poting towards that mhm right yeah you can look down and say is this next

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step in that direction or is it you know a skew or you know and even when you

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have to take some pit stops or side streets or whatever like again going

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back to that situation where now you have a girlfriend who's pregnant you have to figure out how to deal with that situation you

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know that doesn't have to change the destination but you might have to take a pit St you might have to whatever a

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detour right right in that direction right and so then those steps off of that path are intentional and that's

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very important right to be able to I mean it comes back to proactivity it comes back to a lot of those principles

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that proceed beginning with the end of mind but basically I have the power to choose how I deal with this in order

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to maintain that Vision maintain that mission um I don't know it's very good

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and then you know you were talking about profit and Corporation and just so we're clear there's nothing wrong with profit

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and corporations and that being a goal or whatever I think that a lot of shrewd

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businessmen I know a lot of shrewd businessmen that I respect and even Proverbs kind of talks about like

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shrewdness right like um I think there's value in that I think that's not a sole

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value that anyone should operate on it or just like you know many other Valu shouldn't be the sole value you know but

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I think a properly packaged mission statement having profits be part of that

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or having a successful business or whatever can be very beneficial but when you just only think about profits it can

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tend to when it becomes a single-minded for sure then it can then it can be

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potentially be problematic right sure yeah I don't know you just made me

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think of that when you're talking about the profit minded it really kind of comes down to that's not necessarily a

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full-blown character you've developed it's just one goal one thing and it can

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become uh it can become problematic because in chasing a single goal and

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getting to it you could find that wow I'm so far from the path to be where who

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I want to be sure and that happens a lot right like in corporations or

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even like it doesn't have to be corporations it could be a guy who intended to go to college or do whatever

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and then you know and now he's working at his dad that's whatever shop and he's unhappy or whatever and it can be I was

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chasing something sure right whether it's profit in the scenario of a guy who

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got really successful lost his soul that kind of idea or it's the guy who's who intended to be the world class architect

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but now he's working in the basement of his parents whatever wishing he could

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have been that and not you know you find yourself so far off the path does that

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make sense yeah it does and it's it's almost disheartening to hear you talk about that but yet I know that's where

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people find themselves on a daily basis you know and

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and so that's that's where I would say speak to that person who who had

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the the vision the architect whatever it was and somewhere along the way like you

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said earlier they got derailed life happened

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and so the mission statement if you will has become this this resented thing

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because it's it it's it's tainted if you will I had one of those once and look

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where it got me I had goals yeah you you know you you

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you think of it and I think of it in the context of you know possibly that bitter older person it says yeah I had goals

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once you know dream your dreams but you know this is where you'll end

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up you follow me and and and so speak to that sense of hope because I I do I have

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uh I have bought into this Vision if you will I'm working on it for myself

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personally but I do think that that end in mind and I think there is um we can

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we can um run into that bitterness of people who have sought the goal and

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missed and therefore you know we hear that

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resentment and you get the idea I it's just so yeah think about how common of a

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Trope that is in movies yes right like the guy is down and out and he missed

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his chance or whatever and the Redemption story and how you know I mean

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essentially the dream is never dead till you let it die um that doesn't mean sometimes it

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means you sometimes dreams die because they're meant to right and there's not

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like for instance going back to the architect dreams of that maybe you won't ever get to that dream you had when you

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were 19 sure you might never be that world class or architect but it's arguable to say that

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that was even the right mission statement that that was even the be the right beginning with the end in mind and it doesn't even matter like that

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moment's gone what is it that you want to be when you die now and adjust

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accordingly sure because the cool thing about the principle of the path is it doesn't matter where you are around in

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in the path right like anywhere in the in this world you can still point out the destination say I want to get there

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and start heading that way no matter where you are you can start heading that way well and I think I think you you're

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bringing up a great point and I think so much of what we're fundamentally talking about is

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character because I do think you know if we're just talking about dreams and goals age factors into that so much you

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know when I'm well you still play basketball you know but at at you know

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at a certain age I might dream of being an NBA star right you follow me Y and

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but yet I recognize that I don't have that Talent at that level and that comes

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later on in life and and I think you know what we're talking about is

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something that is probably developed more through time as I interact with the

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world and I experience things and what do I want to be a about not just what do

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I want to be doing not what do I want to do how much do I want to make and I

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think you know we've you know even from a occupational standpoint that has

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motivated a lot of our you know thoughts what job can I make good money at or you

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know versus okay what do I really want to be about what passions do I have what

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talents do I have you know innately if you will what have I been designed to do

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and I think taking those things into consideration is also tremendously helpful yeah when I when I

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am formulating if you will this mission statement go ahead I see I see the

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gears yeah this is what happens guys Mark says so many interesting things and it just triggers my brain and I can't

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just waiting that's why I give you the time I I I I see it and I it's like okay time for me to stop and go

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but everyone else is like stop we want to hear what Mark was saying that's not true Mark's done I F good

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um in that process it was developed over time so we started I started out by saying how it's done and and the details

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aren't as important as just do it you know but now we're to the point where we're talking about actual pedantic differences and it does matter like once

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on because again for me it's about iteration but I think once you're into it the differences really matter and and

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what you're talking about is goals versus Persona goals versus the character that you want to be MH and if

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you define the character you want to be by the goals by the things you're meant you want to accomplish that can be

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problematic right because it's like well now I can't be that person because that opportunity is gone I can't go to the

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NBA now so what the heck am I I'm nothing a right and that's problematic

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like we should be separating goals in those so basically it's like I want to

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be a person like this who looks like this who in this situation happens does this and then we can say once we have

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determined and affirmed what that looks like now we have a framework to build goals off of but is say does this goal

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align with that person well great let's write it down let's start working on that goal and if we don't hit it it

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doesn't change who that person is sure do that make sense yeah yeah no doubt

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and I and I it's it's interesting because I think when I'm thinking about what you're

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saying you know what comes to mind is uh when when we are sometimes out to the property my wife Chris will will she'll

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talk about okay that's the tree where the grandkid swing goes you follow me yeah and and it's like and that's

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nothing again you know about our kids that's nothing about pressure to our kids that they have and that's what

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comes to mind whether they do or whether they don't have grandkids someday we're

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thinking of about or my wife I should say is thinking about you know that's where it goes that's the end and we want

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to live our lives to be able to develop a legacy if you will and that's what I

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hear in that and it's like so when I'm thinking about that end of life

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experience you know and um yeah I'm thinking about you know that

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impact and how do I want you know my grandkids what do I want them to say

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about me MH you know what do I want them to say about my character you know that's that's what

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comes to mind in me and you know it's like so when I stop and think about okay that small aspect of that's the tree

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where the swing goes you know it incorporates all of those other

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characteristics of who I want to be and I think for me that's what a mission

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statement is you know the the the swing set tree is a

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representative of a desire to build family relationships and how do we do

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that in a way that has an impact over time you know that because it's you know

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it's like and I I think that's where age factors into that you know because I

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think it becomes more important character can become more important over time that's not to say that 20s

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somethings don't have character don't don't hear that but you know it's like

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what becomes important is developed over time I think to a certain degree and I

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understand that you know certain people are going to hear that and they're going to agree with me and say yeah I

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understand exactly I'm about 50 and I'm starting to think that way or even more so and I think that's where that whole

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and I think that's part of the the dynamic that makes the mission statement as I understand it that character

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development Within Me more important M because it is about

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being able to have you know reciprocal relationships and being able to invest

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in people invest in my own family and even invest in other people's families

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to where they can develop their own sense of legacy and how do I want you

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know this yeah right yeah and that's

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part of your mission statement right like the unwritten one the one that we're writing right now on this podcast

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is this idea of disseminating Legacy sure and I I can't wait till we talk

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about sparrows next look forward to that as well that's

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a little teaser little teaser what Mark's got going on but uh yeah I mean I when I look at it from

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Sparrow's Rest by the way Sparrow that's what I no I got that's a good point it's

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funny cuz I when you were talking about the swing I kept picturing I'm like oh she's building her nest Chris you know

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it's not a nest though it's rest um I should fix that typo on my document it's

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all good but uh no just thinking about like that you just describe

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essentially what I see in you and Chris and what I see in your your your dreams

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is like again just disseminating disseminating Legacy which if you don't put that in your mission state maybe I

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don't know what you're doing just you're not it's got going get a passing grade

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from Justin if I don't have that in my mission statement yes no

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um yeah that's really good I yeah no I just lost my thought it's

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okay happens it does I only have thoughts when you talk well it's okay I

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can talk but so so take us into a

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snapshot of the difference between Justin's corporate company

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values and Justin's personal character

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values are these yours is the company I I respect it but then what are you do

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you have separate ones as part of your personal mission

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statement what might some of yours be I don't

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actually well I have a mission statement somewhere I should asked that question

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maybe before we got on this topic embarrassing Mark really doesn't have a mission

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statement I have it I got to be honest and say I don't reference it as often as I should okay um I definitely have one

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in my head and I think you do too right and I think almost everybody does sure

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okay I think the value of writing it is you know basically making it Concrete in

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a sense but it's not concrete it's paper which means you can modify it you can change it um so yes I do have a mission

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statement um I think the question is the difference between my company's corporate values

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and my personal values yeah um I think one of the reasons I like this company is their values I agree with now the

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practice of how those values play out are very much going to be filtered through my values right Integrity is one

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of them and we've talked about that and like that's become something very valuable to me is to be the same person

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everywhere so if I can't be who I am in a corporation in a company then it's I

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look for the exit you know I'm saying okay that's fine this isn't my company

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and that's okay um so Integrity is a big part of that and you know we talked about integrity at length but it's not

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necessarily saying you guys don't think righteously and therefore I can't work here it's about saying are you real are

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you connected are you connecting who you say you are with the results that you're

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producing sure and that is just I would argue go so far as to say

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almost a non-negotiable for me like if I don't feel like the the charact the

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person Persona that we're building matches what we're producing and I don't have the ability

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to correct that that dissonance right like that the difference y if I don't

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have the opportunity to speak into that and to work to connect those to then there's just it's not a good fit for me

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I can't it's very difficult if not impossible to stay in that situation

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sure for me personally right you know and I don't think that necessarily means everyone should be like that I think

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sometimes you can go to work every day you know work for the man quote unquote and still maintain your integrity and

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who you are but but you know that's for me one of the things right is

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integrity um yeah and then in terms of how how my

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other Valu is that yeah for you personally um a big part of what I value

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is I mean all the things that are encompassed by celbrate recovery being

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able to be involved in that that Ministry Ministry of of a similar nature of being able to help broken people

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being able to walk alongside and put my arm around my the shoulder of people

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like me who are broken and again what does that align with the corporate values I would argue if that if I work

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at a corporation where that is cut off and unable to happen so in other words if I traveled a lot it might be an

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example right um or I don't know

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or maybe a corporation that was completely against any kind of Christian ideals or principles and you know like

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persecution that kind of thing I've never experienced that in my life most you know all the companies I've worked

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for have been very friendly towards me in my beliefs or whatever um but that

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could be something that where they would dis align but I don't know does that

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begin to start to answer the question I think there's so many think you can talk about that a

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long time and go a lot of different directions it's kind of hard oh family is another one so yeah so I think yeah

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working at this company one thing I really love is that it is there's not an expectation to work 60 hours for your

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your 40 hours that you're paid right now there's crunch times that occur and whatever it's a normal company but right

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that's one things that I value in some of the companies I work for is that they value family and so if you have to take

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a kid to the dentist like we had to dig Joseph the um um emergency dental surgery Monday oh

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wow yeah he woke up with a basketball on his cheek on Sunday right and uh had an infection and all that and so we had to

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get him into the the dentist they took two teeth out oh wow yeah it was crazy

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um which apparently it wasn't because of anything bad on his part in terms of brushing teeth it was just they put Caps

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or something and sometimes infections can get behind them I don't know oh wow it's it's outside my expertise and not

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wor worth talking about but the point is when those moments occur I know my company will not look down on us for

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stepping out for a minute or say hey I have to run run over there and help my wife get him into the room because he's

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you know a little bit tipsy as he's walking into the sure the room or whatever so um that's all that's very

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valuable to me family yep God first family yeah yeah yeah yeah no and and I

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think that's where I'm at is is I respect the fact that we can have this conversation about Corporation and yet

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you know that's that's that's one end of the spectrum and we can recognize there are a bunch of people you know who don't

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necessarily work for the corporation who might listen to the podcast and yet you

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know that doesn't mean that a mission statement is not important to for them

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as well I would argue it's more important if you're in a situation or a

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company or whatever that doesn't align with with your values one one way or

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another and again I don't want people to hear that and think you know my company

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isn't doesn't have Christians as their Founders or whatever that is that's not I'm saying like if you feel like your

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values have to be uh compromised to work there and again I don't mean you have to

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steal from people it could be like I have to work longer than I should I hear you and I can't get to my family's

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events sure can't take my son to soccer whatever like that might be like

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hopefully is a value of yours or whatever maybe you don't have kids and the values are different but the point

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is if you're in a place where you can't reconcile your values with the place

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that you're in whether it's work school

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church family event like whatever right then I would argue a mission statement is just as more maybe more valuable to

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you to determine your path out to determine the steps that you take on a every day and personally I could speak

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to that because I remember talking to my good friend Dave petti and he he'd be happy to hear you know have us tell this

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story but um we you know he and I used to meet for accountability U maybe about

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10 years ago okay more than that this is about 12 wow 12 13 years ago I don't

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know and we met at the coffee shop and we would talk about things and at the time I was a house painter MH and I

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hated it I hated just the grunt the grunt the grind and it's a dirty job and

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it's meticulous and and I had to work through my own kind of hate of that and kind of come to this place of like

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acceptance and and contentment but it still was just like a a ground level thing of like this doesn't align with

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the person that I really want to be which H yeah I could go along you can be

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a painter and still be a good you know the person you want to be but I yeah it wasn't for you it wasn't for me I wanted

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something different I wanted I wanted more for me in again moris Rel I'm not

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saying pain paintings uh I just needed something

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different and fair enough um so in this conversation with Dave you know he's he

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told me a quote he I don't know where he got it and he might have made it up on the spot it doesn't matter work he said

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you know experts are somebody who spent an hour a day for you know two years

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right to learn a thing and you become an expert he's like an expert doesn't mean a whole lot it just means you put time

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in you know get your 10,000 hours yeah exactly or in this case that's it's not 10,000 it's like yeah 350

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years the point is that the barrier to entry to becoming an expert in a thing is not as high as one would think but

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it's just time it's experience is putting in and I took that to heart I was like you know what I may be a house

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painter but I can spend an hour a day reading about design like working on a

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website like doing these little things on my own time to develop a skill set

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right that I already had that I was but to become an expert right sure because

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once I'm an expert I should be able to get hired I should be able to sell websites to people you know an expert

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can do more than what I can do sure and so I started do that I put the time in I start volunteering at the church doing

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their website their graphic design stuff and you know whatever the rest is history you know good good happy ending

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like I'm in a my my career TR trajectory has gone really well a lot of that just

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has to do with Grace but I will say that putting in that time resulted from

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saying I want to be that kind of person an expert right let's use that word and I want to be an expert in web

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development MH and and therefore every day I could take steps towards that destination sure and I think that's all

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wrapping it back to this thing is that's possible on any given day in any given situation you could be in a place you

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don't want to be but that doesn't mean you can't start walking away from that place sure but it takes intentionality

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yeah which I think is a good summary of what this is about yeah that's a great

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and I and I think of it and that sometimes we you know a twood deegree difference difference yes you know over over time

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you know ends up in a completely different place and I think that's where we're at you know our desire is to say

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okay yeah for that person that may not be where they want to be that doesn't

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mean that's where you continue to have to be and there are choices there are

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options sometimes it may not seem it there may not seem as access

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as what you described 12 minut excuse me 12 years down the road but you know

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ultimately that option is still available and you know for us I think it's our desire to encourage anyone you

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know to develop that mission statement what do I want with God's grace involved

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you know how do I you know what have I been designed what gifts do I have what

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what am I passion about I think yeah we'll yeah that's in the passion is

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another you know you know word comes to mind is Holy discontent you know like

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Moses what was what are the things that make you angry you know and be not not mad you

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know but in that sense that you have a passion about them and I and I think you

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know that's that's a that's a key to unlocking that mission statement to to a

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certain degree is what you know was I designed to do and what do I have passions for and in some

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ways working towards those to be able to do that more so like I say that's that's

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so thanks for sharing Justin I got one other thought go right ahead WP wrap it

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up if you want all right let's do it um I was thinking about GPS sure you

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mentioned two degrees difference right like the interesting thing about that like if you look on a globe and two

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degrees or you know you think about degrees on a circle right 360 de two degrees different is not that different

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yep today that's correct tomorrow next week two degrees for Infinity is a

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different planet right like it's it's a completely because it goes on and on and on you get further and further and

47:20
further and further but the thing is with like a GPS is you plug in the coordinates right and then it says you

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know this way for a while and you're like that my destination's over there why are we going this way well because

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we don't want to drive through houses sure there's road yeah yeah or you know

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you think I think about um a boat I've seen a boat GPS where it shows a line

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from where you are all the way off the screen and it's just kind of this trajectory right right and you know

47:50
you're you're driving towards your point on like especially on a lake or whatever you don't have as many obstacles but

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then you know there's a a buoy sure and so you have to turn right and that line oh my goodness it's like pointing 90

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degrees away from where you want to be but you know what you're doing right you're avoiding this obstacle but your

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intention is still that point on the map like you're you're going to course correct yeah right you're going to get

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back to that trajectory and that's what a mission statement is it's at that point in the GPS where no matter where

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your line is pointing right now you know I I'm going to get back to that right like I have to avoid this obstacle again

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going back to that 19-year-old is going to be an architect or whatever like that was your point on the map well guess

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what if you don't course correct you're going to slam into this dock sure right

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yeah yeah U and you have to slow down you have to go around the curve you have to endure the situation right like now

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you have a a baby right and that changes so much but that doesn't mean you can't

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swing that line back to match that right yeah it just might be a little bit slower going it might be a little more

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difficult or we always can change that point on the G GPS and say you know I

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was going to go to my mom's house but instead I'm going to go to my my sister's house right yeah and recognize

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that that was a good option but this is probably the right option today or right now based on new information yeah right

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we can change that we can change our course I think that's

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I think it's valuable to understand the flexibility and be flexible and

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understand that but also understand the value of intentionality yeah and how

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those things can can work together and and if I may I think you know the the straight line I think that can be the

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frustration yeah because you know I just wanted to go right there but there's

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something to be said for tides and wind that tend to shift us and being able to

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overcome that and still make the course Corrections that are part of the success

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if I may of achieving it's like if I if if all I ever did was walk straight

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towards something I want and I could pick it up and have

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it I just I just there's no gratification in that but if I really

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have to work at something if I have to start with that first step and it it

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just makes the experience so much more rewarding and I and I want it's not that

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it's a definite destination I want to recognize this is a path we're talking

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you know no one ever gets to the to the to the prize I guess but yet there are there are prizes that we acquire along

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the way through character don't get me wrong there but you know it's like is ever is anyone ever you know have all

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the character no right and I think that's so yeah that's that's where I'm I

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mean that's Paul I pressed towards the mark of the prize of the high calling you know and he's basically saying I'm

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almost there but I'll never be there so I keep pressing towards the high calling

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I mean if that doesn't wrap this up I don't know what does you know this that's what a mission statement is it's

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defining the high calling that that we believe that we have for ourselves why didn't we start with that because we

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ended with it okay 50 minutes and 47 seconds it's a good time yes it is this

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is how I see it thanks Mark thank you [Music]

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