Mark:

Thought I lost my apples for a moment.

Justin:

Your marbles? Or your apples?

Mark:

I like them apples.

Justin:

It’s been a good long while since I I seen Goodwill Hunting.

Mark:

Oh. Yeah.

Justin:

You know that’s what that quote’s from.

Mark:

Well, I think it came a long time ago.

Justin:

Oh really? Oh I’d never heard it before that, but I it makes sense. Yeah. They didn’t just make that up

To me they did cause I understand.

Mark:

It uh the the boys from uh Boston the what do they call them? Easties? No.

Justin:

Mm-hmm

Mark:

Southeast. Southeast from South Boston. Southeast.

Justin:

You like dim apples.

Mark:

Yeah, damn apples. Dem apples. Yeah, you gotta put that in there. Yeah.

Justin:

Nice.

Mark:

But yes It’s always a good it’s good to see you, Justin.

Justin:

Speaking of apples. How about them apples?

Mark:

Well thank you. Yeah. Welcome to How I See It with me, Mark Pratt and

Justin:

Justin Sternberg. This is a podcast that works to counter cultural polarization. through thoughtful conversations. What are we talking about?

Mark:

Well, you know

Justin:

I know what we’re talking about.

Mark:

Do you a good shoot I thought for a moment I was uh, you know what? Some of most of these topics I’d say probably come out of a aha moment of some type. You know? Realistic.

Justin:

I think I know, yeah.

Mark:

Yeah. Because I think, you know, we we live our lives, and I I think at times, you know, we can fall into a complacency. when we’re just doing the daily grind day after day and that kind of thing. And it was just uh it was interesting for me because uh Uh we actu I heard a sermon this weekend and it was just uh it was a a moment of conviction for me Mm-hmm and it uh it ha it got me to thinking about spirituality Because I think our culture, you know, and myself, you know, we we tend to see a a lot around us, this aspect of coexist. um, you know, the yin and the yang, you know, that there’s this spiritual dynamic of good and evil that’s always in balance, you know, this aspect of what we might call dualism. You know what I mean? Where there’s two equal parts and they’re just vying against one another. But

Justin:

the eternal struggle of good and evil and But in every movie basically.

Mark:

Yes. And I and I think

Justin:

Disney movie anyway.

Mark:

Yes. And I and I w and I have to admit, I think in some ways Even eva and it made me think about some of the discussions we’ve had, even in the concept of the stick You know, that there’s this aspect of dualism where one is opposed to the other, but yet they complete each other in some kind of harmonious way. You follow me? And and that’s not a judgment on that model.

Justin:

You wait, you were supposed to say no offense.

Mark:

Uh

Justin:

offense taken, Mark.

Mark:

But it if Yeah. You you got offended and I didn’t even have to say no offense. See, that’s why I say it

Justin:

I was waiting for it.

Mark:

I’m learning. I’m working on it. But I think, you know, I was just reminded of how our desire for balance And, you know, just this this dualistic mindset that, you know, everything has a equal and opposite. I was made aware that I’m not I’m not uh I’m not n I have been maybe misled. And I don’t want and I and I don’t when I’m thinking about misled, I’m thinking about the fact that I talk with others and I’m I take that very seriously. when it when I think about the fact that I don’t want if I’ve been deceived, I don’t want to pass that deception on to other people. You follow me? That’s that’s where my conviction, that’s where the weight, if you will of even what we do here, you know, is kind of convicting.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

And so it got me thinking about that from that aspect. And it it was interesting to recognize for me I in the in the process of this sermon. It was interesting to recognize that from my new perspective, there really isn’t this dualism in place. Because Was it

Justin:

three instead? Maybe four? Four is them?

Mark:

No, I don’t think they’re I don’t think they’re balanced.

Justin:

Yeah, I know.

Mark:

And I and I w it was interesting ’cause as I was thinking reading about it, you know.

Justin:

Sorry.

Mark:

Sorry. I guess in the in the process of my desire to uh share my perspective, I’m a little more focused, so I apologize.

Justin:

Yeah, you’re swimming a little deeper than I was. My that’s my fault. I’m sorry. I’m coming. I’m coming. I’m coming

Mark:

Don’t you even worry about it. It is good. But uh it it made me think about it, and it was a refreshing thing to think about actually when I wa in the process of this sermon I was listening, they were talking about how uh uh Jesus had gone to the through the tombs where Legion or and uh I think it’s uh Matthew

Justin:

Well it’s probably in multiple.

Mark:

Well Matthew has two men.

Justin:

Okay.

Mark:

Where there’s two men and you know, but either way, it’s just interesting. It’s but it’s both right before the uh he casts Jesus casts these uh spirits out of these gentlemen into the pigs.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

Are you you familiar with that one?

Justin:

Yeah, I didn’t think it was gentlemen. I thought it was one guy.

Mark:

Um well Legion is one, but what it what it and this was what the uh sermon was about. It’s basically There’s two there’s two separate stories in scripture. Okay. And one

Justin:

pigs, that only came out of Legion, right?

Mark:

No, there is another aspect where there were two guys. And and um I want to say it was Matthew. I apologize. I didn’t, I should have prepared a little, as usual. I should have prepared. But what they basically come up and say, you know, to Jesus, they’re basically saying, hey. We know who you are. You we know that there’s gonna come a day when there’s your authority is gonna completely do away with evil.

Justin:

Mm-hmm.

Mark:

That and it and that that was really kind of what struck me because that does away with that dualistic perspective from my dynamic. And I think it’s been freeing for me. to be able to recognize that we’re not just kind of, you know, this this balance that you eke out a little bit of

Justin:

Yeah, it’s not like this battle where oh we took that town and it’s like, oh, they took it back. Yes. Like this kind of uh un you know never ending battle of good and evil and some days evil’s winning, some days good is winning and that whole thing in the front are moving every day and you’re always checking in like are we winning today or we’re losing today? That that kind of idea, right?

Mark:

Yes, very much so. That kind of idea and it was and it and I think that’s what I desire you know to offer people that I talk with and I and I do I do I think what I part of my job, I wrestle with individuals from a spiritualistic perspective based on where they’re coming from. Not everybody talks with me as a Christian, you know, that kind of thing. And you know, and and there’s definitely different you know, sh spiritualistic tendencies people have and you know they’ve they’ve grown up in a specific religion uh or maybe they’ve grown up religious But then they’ve kind of jettisoned that to, you know, have this humanistic dynamic, you know, those kind of things. And I’m and that’s where it was kind of coming back to for me, because I think I have kind of developed this this model of balance, you know, which I which in some ways I like and I think in some ways it’s um You know, our continuums, you know, represent a s a sort of balance between two extremes. And it

Justin:

even the idea of polarizing topics we’re t we’re always trying to get that pendulum to where it’s You know, I’m trying I’m showing you with my hand pendulum uh a board on a pendulum. I’m trying to get it in balance so that it’s yeah, exactly. So that it’s uh no longer swinging, it’s kinda balanced. Yeah, we’re always trying to get to that equilibrium.

Mark:

Yes.

Justin:

That’s

Mark:

yep. And so that that was where that’s when I heard this sermon, it was just kind of like this breath of fresh air for me in this aspect to uh because it wasn’t that I it wasn’t like I hadn’t known. I mean granted, I learned a lot because um he what part of what the uh the sermon was about was when Jesus is crossing over the Sea of Galilee. The two the two um areas that are two references, one would be like the version that basically said Jesus went to Southport. Okay, and there was this one guy named Legion. The other version basically says that Jesus went to Brunswick County and there were two guys. You follow me? And he but either way, he cast the demons out of these fellas. into this herd of pigs. And so that was that was kind of it it was neat to hear. It’s like, okay, it’s not that scripture is ever in controversy. It’s just being able to understand the f the facets from which each, you know, writer wrote their story. Mm-hmm. And I and and to me and then but what came out of that was that dynamic of being able to say, okay Yeah, in this spiritual realm, we we we do recognize what we are at war, if I may say. So kind of that Ephesians 6, you know type dynamic that we do wrestle. And I think sometimes in our wrestling, you know, it can seem daunting. You know, because it does seem as if there’s this this this war front where

Justin:

cosmic battle.

Mark:

Yes, where, you know, and like all good movies, you know, it’s like Well, you know, somebody somebody’s got to do something that completely shifts the dynamic, or else, you know , humanity is going to die, you know, that kind of thing. But that’s where it was coming from, is it’s like Okay, all of that was satisfied. You know, someone did do something and it kept everybody from dying. And yet there and and being able to recognize that In those moments, even the spiritual realm as I was looking at it from that dynamic recognizes the authority of who Jesus Christ is. And there was no there was no doubt because when, you know, in that spiritual realm, when anyone addressed Jesus, it was like I know who you are.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

And so often it was it reminds me that, you know, and I realize that’s out the Bible and that kind of thing. But so often I’m mindful of the fact that You know, if this if we we live in this spiritual culture, and yeah, I’m willing to recognize that when we think of evil, evil acknowledges who Jesus is.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

And there’s no doubt there. And it’s not that it’s a balanced equation. It it’s a matter of, you know, deceiving and destroying as much as possible. until that day comes when it’s gonna end.

Justin:

So it’s a lot of good stuff That’s good.

Mark:

That’s that’s the nutshell of yeah. That was the nutshell of Father’s Day for me this weekend.

Justin:

Nice. Nice. Um Yeah, so a couple things I was thinking about when you were sharing that. Um first of all, the the balance thing, right? So I was thinking about balance.

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

Balance only works when there’s a certain law at play of physics.

Mark:

Mm.

Justin:

That law is gravity.

Mark:

I hear you.

Justin:

Right?

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

So you think about balance, you think about a a scale where you you you know you balance things out. Um Seesaw, like you said, the action of seesawing. Um, you think about when you’re trying to keep your balance, right?

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

And you’re you’re kind of balancing on a whatever

Mark:

left.

Justin:

Yeah, or like on uh what do you call that? A balance beam or a the the wire. What do you I

Mark:

Oh a tightrope.

Justin:

Thank you. No problem. You win Um, any of those aspects and none of those will work if you just go up about five miles, right

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

From our atmosphere. I don’t know how it just made up a number.

Mark:

Oh, okay. However,

Justin:

till you get out of the gravitational pull.

Mark:

Okay.

Justin:

And there’s no longer gravity. None of those concepts work. Balance is balance isn’t a thing. And the reason I say that is because This yin yang, this balance of good and evil in my heart is definitely a thing.

Mark:

Mm.

Justin:

Right? And on and when the laws of of m this creation that he’s put me in are at work. I do have to contend. And I I you wouldn’t argue that, right? Like you wouldn’t say we d we don’t have to ba we don’t have to battle g against the evil or against our flesh. I I know that’s not your point at all. You’re making an um awesome point which I’m trying to get to as well.

Mark:

That’s okay.

Justin:

Which is when you zoom out

Mark:

okay

Justin:

to a universal level Balance is a silly thing.

Mark:

Oh, I hear where you’re coming from.

Justin:

There’s no such thing as ba I mean there is, and I I would even argue that he’s built balance into the solar system. He’s built balance into the universe, but Um, you know, so obviously the analogy isn’t perfect, but I was just thinking about how that that concept of a scale just doesn’t apply once you just go you zoom out just a little bit.

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

And then you still got all kinds of zooming to do to still even get to the edge of the universe where uh that concept is kind of silly, right?

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

Um and I think of that as an analogy for what you’re saying and uh, you know, even the demons and how they re recognize there’s no balance here.

Mark:

Yes. Right. And

Justin:

when I zoom out Because we came from zoom down. We we know the big picture, we know what the universe looks like and we know that this these laws only apply in this one tiny little context and this guy in front of us appl lives outside of that context. You know what I mean?

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

Um and I think that’s you know, that’s when the Bible says Greater is he that’s in you than he that’s in the world. That’s what it’s talking about. It’s like, no, you don’t understand the spirit of the God who created this universe that abides above and beyond all of those rules for good and evil. Um he lives in you. So you’re good. Yeah. I hear you.

Mark:

Yeah. And I th and I think, you know, that’s uh I think as as you were talking, that that balance tends to be our human way of making such a cosmic force or d design, I’ll call it, understandable.

Justin:

Yes

Mark:

And I think that’s that’s what that’s where that complacency comes into play because at times I just want to make things understandable.

Justin:

Yes.

Mark:

So I use my human construct to basically say, okay, this is how it is. And I think in the aspect that can be part of a deception over time, because I think in some ways from my perspective that can be on my part, leaving the pride. Then I’ve got an understanding of this, you know, this Created design. Okay. And this is my teaspoon way of holding a piece of that.

Justin:

Yes. Yeah, exactly.

Mark:

In the midst of the whole universe.

Justin:

Yeah. You’re

Mark:

Go ahead.

Justin:

You’re making me think of th the message I heard this weekend and the thoughts that came out of that, which was uh this idea of Christ is our cornerstone.

Mark:

Okay, sure.

Justin:

So all other building materials reference off of that cornerstone. And so if you if you put it in correctly, or your cornerstone is just a bad cornerstone. Oh sure. then your your building will be out of whack, right? Um

Mark:

sure.

Justin:

And I talk you know, I I was in a in small group we talked a little bit about this and I was talking about how knowledge could be a cornerstone.

Mark:

Right?

Justin:

Which is kinda what you’re saying. Where so if I build everything based off of knowledge is most important, then I’m always gonna have gaps

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

Because we can’t know it all. And even if we like even if it was knowable, like available to us our brain and our time cannot contain it.

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

Right? And so we’re always gonna have gaps. We’re always gonna have to fill them in with analogies or uh concepts that kind of cover a whole gamut of things just to be able to look at, you know.

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

Um and I and I think Like that happens in throughout the course of history in science w we’ve discovered more and more about science, but everything we discover about science tends to open up these little side room doors that were like, oh crap, we can’t open that one yet because we don’t understand it enough. But at least we got into this next room and we can understand more about everywhere we left because we’re now in here.

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

And we recognize, but there’s just so many more rooms that we thought this was the last door, right? Kind of idea. Um and so yeah, it’s like this con the what and then you think about the fact that again, the God of the universe, the one who kinda uh lives above all of this and has a perfect understanding of it all, tries to communicate with us, the ant. Right about what an ocean is or what uh you know uh a skyscraper is. And because we can’t possibly conceptualize what a skyscraper is, he uses words like it’s kinda like a big stick.

Mark:

Right?

Justin:

And we go, Okay, got it, God. But you said it was a big stick. He’s like, mm, no. It’s just that you can’t understand that. And I feel like the Bible has, you know, w when we think about contradictions and you know You think about all the names of God, it’s like well, is he a lion or is he a lamb? Which one is he, right? ‘Cause he references both. And if we’re gonna h be literal and stick to, you know Well, it’s this one or it’s that one that we’re gonna have to argue with this other part of the Bible, and I feel like there’s a lot of theological concepts that we also want that balance.

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

Right? Where we want to say um like God’s sovereignty versus free will, for instance, we’ve talked about in that in the past, and we’re like, well, it has to be imbalanced or or or I have to choose one or the other. But I think it’s kinda like he’s describing a skyscraper and or a, you know, shipping container. It’s like they’re both things and you can’t understand them, so we’re gonna go a stick. and leaf in a pond, you know.

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

And uh

Mark:

I hear you.

Justin:

Does that make sense?

Mark:

Yeah, it makes very sense

Justin:

trail, but

Mark:

well no it’s kind of like when Jesus talked to his disciples, you know, the the kingdom of heaven is like

Justin:

You know, exactly.

Mark:

And you know that I and I think that’s, you know, each one of those pictures makes a greater understanding of what the kingdom of heaven is like in this aspect of a concept that’s too big to explain from just one human dynamic.

Justin:

Yeah, and we benefit from those moments where Jesus was a kindly teacher and then he said it’s like.

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

So we’re like we can understand, oh, it’s this is another facet, you know. But I think the Bible is full of facets. Um, but we don’t always get the benefit of the is like. part to be able to say, well, I can’t in other words, I c again I can’t throw out this pie of the Bible because this part of the Bible says this. I have to somehow reconcile that they both can coexist in that universe that’s beyond me that I can’t understand. Does that make sense?

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

Yeah. So that’s that’s that’s kind of where it came from, you know, and I uh and I appreciate your uh your ability to bring the cornerstone because I think I think knowledge is a good thing.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

And yet at the same time, I’m willing to recognize that, you know the knowledge that I have has gaps in it. And I think that’s where this weekend came from for me is being willing to recognize that I I saw some gaps.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

And that’s not a bad thing.

Justin:

No.

Mark:

It’s it’s the ability to be able to say, okay, I need to have this awareness that there is this continual battle. And there is this spiritual realm, you know, that we that we enter into. And I think that’s the that’s the dynamic that we can wrestle with is we have this physical realm And I don’t think yeah, and yeah, I don’t think there m there are few people who would definitely deny that you know we are spiritual beings because I think you know most everyone has this concept of good and evil you know even you know even in religions if you will And that that was kind of what brought that that in a more powerful way to me when I was able to hear that, maybe not necessarily for the first time, but For me it was kind of a eye opening. It’s like, yeah, it was a good reminder to be able to say, okay, yeah, there is this authority that’s over it all and whether we acknowledge who Jesus was, even that spiritual realm is willing to say, yeah, hey Oh son of God, what are you doing here? You know, is today the day that ends it all?

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

You know, because that’s that’s really what the question was.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

And it’s like, you know, no, that day hasn’t come yet But, you know, and I and I think it just it just was a neat little opportunity. And then that’s when I started that wrestling for me of being able to say, okay. Th it’s not it’s not just like you thought it was as far as this balance. Not that not that the stick and other things aren’t, you know, are Evil as well. But it made me think about it in that way.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

Of being able to say, okay, how do we uh how do we wrestle with this uh this spiritual nature And I think I think the battle is real, but I also think the the reality of it is the the war is won

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

And it’s a being a man and I think, you know, when I th th the CR dynamics came to mind too, because, you know, I think so often In our shame, you know, we can recog we can tend to see evil as this huge thing and there’s no way to overcome it. And I think, you know, that’s where Jesus says our higher power comes into play and say, no, uh, there’s there’s there’s all there’s a way. I’ve already dealt with this. You just need to trust me, you know, in faith from that perspective. And it it was just yeah. That was where I was coming from.

Justin:

It kinda too the thing too is like if you start to get a glimpse of that of like kind of the imbalance, right? The true imbalance. Um I think that that could put the I think that’s likely a meat subject versus a milk subject. So if you’re not familiar with what I’m saying

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

Um, you know, essentially the Bible talks about as new believers, um, the teaching you need is more like milk for a baby, right? Like it needs to be kind of the fundamentals, the ground level. things. Um, you know, and then as

Mark:

you have teeth yet. Right.

Justin:

Right. And as you mature, you know, you you need meat. You know, you need to be able to chew. You need and I definitely feel like understanding this to the level you know, like to the level that you’re you’re talking about does require some chewing, some some teeth, you know, and

Mark:

sure.

Justin:

If you don’t have that, I think it could be pretty hard to wrestle with and why I say that is this Wait, you’re telling me he has that much it’s that imbalanced and yet I still have to, you know, deal with evil. Like you know, why would he let any of it exist then? Why not just make all of our lives perfect and happy?

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

You know, it’s like

Mark:

That was another reminder, I think, in some ways, because as we, you know, have our own family discussions over, you know, topics and so forth, you know that. whole aspect, uh John, you know, has a friend that he’s talking with, you know, that really wrestles with that aspect of um, you know, how could a good God let bad things ha happen to good people?

Justin:

You know? Yeah.

Mark:

And I think that is part of that. when we see it from that ground level warfare, you know, that, yeah, but we lost over here.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

You’re s I hear what you’re saying. We want over here, but it just seems like that’s inconsistent with my human

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

Sense of balance.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

If there is this great God, you know, come on now.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

We should just live in a

Justin:

Especially if you’re in, you know, one of the towns that just got captured by the the enemy and it’s like, yeah, but we’re winning. Well, it sure doesn’t look like it where I stand. You know what I mean?

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

Um I ca I you know, I can t totally empathize with, you know, someone going through some stuff and or in in a situation where their family or whoever, you know, is going through some really some evil, right?

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

And going, yeah, but This doesn’t this doesn’t jive. You’re saying there’s a good guy who loves me. Well, this is proof that’s either not true or he’s You know, it’s not true one sense or another. Like he doesn’t exist or he does and he doesn’t like me. I mean that doesn’t seem right either, you know?

Mark:

Yep.

Justin:

Um Yeah. So that’s I think that’s again can be some of the tough wrestling stuff.

Mark:

No doubt.

Justin:

Um and the Bible has plenty to say about all that. Don’t don’t Don’t m misunderstand me. It talks

Mark:

Yeah, yeah.

Justin:

You know, the like one of the verses says he’s not slow concerning his promise, but he’s not willing that any w should perish, right? Because they were asking, like, why hasn’t Jesus come back yet? You know We we’re waiting for this, he’s gonna make it all better. Kind of the same idea. He’s gonna he’s gonna right all the wrongs, fix all the bad. Why isn’t he here yet? He’s like, well, he’s not slow about that promise.

Mark:

Sure.

Justin:

But he cares more that more would come to him you know, than than that those patient. Yeah, exactly. And so that the Bible has plenty to say about the concepts of of those things. And even Paul talks about in Romans I and like You might ask these questions, but it’s like asking a potter why he formed the clay the way he did. It’s like your clay, you you can’t understand the purpose, you know.

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

Um yeah, and I think understanding Good versus evil requires a view that we cannot have, and therefore we have to trust the one that has the view that we cannot have. Right. We have to be so zoomed out at a universal level to understand it That we cannot do that and therefore we have to rely on him. Yeah. It requires faith. I mean that he’s never gonna remove that requirement from this journey. No

Mark:

, sure.

Justin:

And it to the degree that that’s what Hebrews 11 talks about. It says by faith, you know, these these people um, you know, will see the kingdom of heaven. It has to do with the fact that faith is the requirement

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

So there’s always going to be bits and pieces of our thi theology and belief that we won’t have the full answer. We have to rely on well, you do, and therefore I rely on you. And that’s You know what I mean?

Mark:

Yeah. And even that faith is a gift that’s given for those who want to accept it very much, you know, in that in that concept of yeah, being able to recognize that Yeah. It’s not something we have to muster up. It’s something that’s even provided.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

And if to the degree that we have the ability to choose it when we see that opportunity is a provision. So yeah, it’s just uh yeah. And I and I think here again, you know, the as I was thinking about, you know, spiritualism in our world, you know, the They’re I think if we’re trying, I think so often what can derail us, maybe in some ways, is this ability to create heaven on earth type dynamic, you know, to where if if if this is the best that it gets, this isn’t very good uh at day on on certain days

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

And that can be that that can be discouraging because I’m striving, I’m working, you know, and granted, you know even as I say those things from my perspective, I recognize that’s quite often where it comes from is my pride. I want to do it my way, you know, and I don’t always necessarily consider you know, that I could be deceived in some way that’s saying, okay, it’s about it’s about right now. It’s about what I can build up right now. It’s about the things that I can establish now. And, you know, it doesn’t take too awful long to think about it in that context of, okay. There’s a lot of people that tried to make it Here on earth, and that’s not what God talks with us about. You know, it’s like seek first the kingdom of heaven and those kind of things. So yeah.

Justin:

Yeah. And yeah. Yeah.

Mark:

You’re chewing on something?

Justin:

Yeah. I got I I kinda lost my thought actually.

Mark:

That’s all right. You had pulled your uh you pulled your uh phone out and you were gonna

Justin:

Megan wasn’t uh needing me and

Mark:

oh okay yeah I gotcha I thought you

Justin:

wasn’t Megan then I was trying to figure out what it was and then poof that thought gone. So this is why Mark doesn’t look at his phone. He’s a smart man

Mark:

It’s all good. Yeah. It’s about being present in the moment. And I understand where you’re coming from.

Justin:

That’s right.

Mark:

Because if it was Megan, we’d want to know.

Justin:

Yeah.

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah, we’re going on we’re going on vacation tomorrow, so if there’s you know, there’s needs that you might need the evening. Yeah. We’re excited about that. That’s why we’re recording on a Tuesday, which seems so wrong instead of our

Mark:

It does seem uh

Justin:

seems a little off.

Mark:

Yes, definitely changing my uh my disciplines for the week, but that’s all that’s good.

Justin:

That’s true. That’s hard for you.

Mark:

I can do it.

Justin:

Look at you. You’re here.

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

You’re ready. And you brought your own subject. Wow. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that, Mark.

Mark:

No problem. Yes. So that being said, this is how we see it.

Justin:

He was giving me a little space to see if that thought would come back. Yeah. It it didn’t.

Mark:

Yeah.

Justin:

So But it was that was good stuff. I appreciate it.

Mark:

No problem. Happy to share.

Justin:

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