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foreign [Music]

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Health it was none of that it's like the sickest of the set they've already been to 10 12 15 doctors and it's not like

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what Duke portrayed that's not what it should tell us about yeah um Trader Joe's for instance like Trader Joe's

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uses canola oil canola oil is deadly Farm mitochondria okay so Trader Joe's

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is a health food store but just because it says health food store right on thinking something so I

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can just say that names exactly is that is that good by you yeah I mean none of

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it you said I mean maybe yeah referencing specific people but organizations Traders okay I think

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that's great information you know what I mean okay yeah yeah all right are you because you're censor out if I say

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something okay okay thank you hello

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we heard that little bit of tone there thank you

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[Music] welcome to how I see it with me Mark

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Pratt and Justin Sternberg this is a podcast that works to counter cultural

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polarization through thoughtful conversations [Music]

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hey everyone welcome back to the how I see it podcast I'm Justin Sternberg one of your co-hosts I just want to drop a

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quick note here to let you know we're excited to share this interview with Mary Beth

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um this is part one part two will be out next week I want to let you know the audio quality for this episode in next

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week's as well is not the best um we had to edit it and clean it up a little bit and there will be a few parts

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that can get a little garbled but we were really happy to have this conversation with Mary Beth and we

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believe it's absolutely worth sharing with you so we hope you'll enjoy it

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um the other thing is this is a an episode that deals with medic medical

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you guys enjoy thanks foreign

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[Laughter]

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so hey this is how we see it and um today we have a guest which is awesome

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we're very excited about that um and we're specifically going to be talking about things around health care

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and um and the reason we wanted to talk about it is because

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interestingly enough Healthcare can be very polarizing right there especially

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different practices different ideologies different you know Generations even

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um we come to these ideas of how health care should be done and sometimes it's passed down from our parents sometimes

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it's whatever you know our doctor told us this or whatever and it can become so such a hot topic for people

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um and so we want to do what we do and kind of start to have the conversation and maybe even bring up some hot topics

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and discuss them but recognizing it is how we see it you know sure and it's how Mary best sees it who is our guest so

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yes good morning Mary Beth good morning Mark yes I just wanted to take a moment and uh let uh our listeners know I

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personally met Mary Beth through my wife's own personal health Journey and

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you know it's a as I was thinking about that you know it's like we all need supports around us but I think health

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care or help our health is one of those things where those supports become so

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important and we even think about you know um Pro not promoting for yourself what's

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what's the word the word you know you um Advocate yes that's you know and we

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think about that and that's what I guess we are not offering Health advice but we

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want to recognize that people have to Advocate and we have to have difficult

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conversations and what when we when you and I Justin were talking about

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polarizing topics and that kind of came to mind um Mary Beth was one of those people

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that came to mind for me and um even when we did the podcast a little more be

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all right we talked about if a person cares it's kind of defines their ability to

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find success and when I first met Mary Beth I wasn't sure how to take you

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initially just because what you were saying at times seemed foreign to me but

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the undeniable part of who Mary Beth is is that she genuinely cares about people

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being healthy and she's not afraid to have the difficult conversations that

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say have you thought about this and that's what endeared true to me you know when Chris my wife had someone who was

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walking alongside of her being able to offer that so Mary Beth tell us this is

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this is your opportunity to tell us about you and speak to what you just

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said okay then I'll tell you a little bit about myself and how I got to this journey but I feel like the reason that

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Healthcare is so polarizing is for the sad fact of what you just said that we

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need an advocate now I don't think we used to need an advocate I think medicine used to be about

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but I went into medicine for about helping people get well um helping them to understand that their

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body is the tool to get well the tools to get well get well and that we don't

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it shouldn't be adversarial like I feel like medicines become I think the system

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is broken by Design you've probably heard necklace shade before

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um because if people get well on their own and

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we did well because God gave us bodies to get well um and there's you know doctors don't

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need to be there medicine doesn't need to be there pharmaceutical companies don't need to be their drug stores don't

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need to be their ants don't need to be there and so there's not a

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there's no benefit to getting well so in from a business aspect and that's what medicines and that's what and

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that's what's the interesting part is I when you use the word medicine you're

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not necessarily using health interchangeably with this help is a

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different topic so yeah talk talk with me about how you see the two ten that's

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what creates the polarization is it not that we've tended to

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make them synonymous right the medicine Pharmaceuticals may be the same as

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becoming healthy and they're not always the same

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they're not always the same but maybe they should be the same medicine and Medicine how I started out in medicine

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was about being healthy it was there were tools right there were tools

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you could you you could change this or you could eat different you could stop

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smoking and that's how you are contributing to your poor health and now

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those parts seem to have been rushed aside and to me when I went to school I

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was taught here's a symptom here's a several medications for that symptom here's a symptom there's several

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medications for that symptom and then patients would come back and it really

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feel great maybe their blood pressure was down a little bit but they were feeling sluggish they couldn't perform

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at their job so the brains weren't quite as sharp they couldn't get erections on a vehicle offer so they came in with all

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these new set of symptoms that they didn't have when I first saw them and so now I am going to give you well you're

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having trouble and you're feeling fatigued or you're feeling blue so here's another medication that can give you and so it's just snowballed to be

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stacked enough but we should be better that should be better yeah but every time you put any kind of uh

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chemical or foreign substance or even

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something natural like an animal to your body your body is a downstream effect

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from all of those things all your cells start working there's chemical reactions

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and so I think a lot of it is just becoming cognizant inside

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foreign

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worked at the grass hospital and I was a final player well this was a file clerk I was filing charts uh there were index

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that had an index card system with patients names date of birth diagnosis

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and I remember filing those cards and just being curious about what are these diagnosis what are these

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things I'd never heard of them some patients had one or two others might have six or seven or eight

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so um I remember being curious asking a lot of questions I'm sure that I made them

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crazy hair um I had a number of questions but I started learning and I started falling

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in love with it and I started questioning inside why

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why is that why did that happen why do our body scrape down why you're I can

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see the ages you know some people were very young most people at that time were very old very old

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14 years old that brings us to how I see it right

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yeah so my 14 year old age like a 70 80 year

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old to me was anxious and I saw that the long diagnoses were mostly on people

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that were that age when I'm not younger I don't necessarily see that anymore yeah wow what helped me understand that

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you don't see you so diagnoses are long-term diagnosis starting earlier is

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that starting earlier now in younger people um you know there's a lot of autoimmune

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disease that already got high cholesterol in high school and they've

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got arthritis in high school and they've got yeah long enough to diagnosis

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sorry giving us all kinds of questions uh no I guess I was gonna ask like

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does that change in terms of giving diagnosis or is it change in terms of

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our health or both so um when I first started practicing

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um actually my second job I was told the more diagnoses you can come up with

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better the chance of getting more Insurance reimbursements okay so you

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come up with a really long list of diagnosis and when you do come up with a list of diagnosis then you can also

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prescribe a med right diagnosis pill diagnosis pill um and so I think over time

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patients came to expect it as well like they would come in they would have a sniff all along

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instead of you know everybody likes it our body has

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an immune response and [Music] and while I see it in moments and make

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you sick of all right in your gut your immune system and so that's

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something sure so in that process and I'm clarifying at

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this point it's not that you're against the animal for certain items but it's like to have

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it yeah so but as a long-term thing that's a less reasonable okay

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if you're um you know if you're something in the hospital and you accept it you've got an

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infection in your bloodstream if you've got a kidney

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infections are just times sure and so if I if I may not tell us

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more about who you are as far as no no it's okay but you know the to the fact

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that we're recognizing this isn't somebody that we brought in off the sidewalk you notice

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exactly so after doing that for a few years um I made the decision that I wanted to

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be a medical assistant when I graduated so I went to school

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um it was just a two-year program and I became a medical assistant uh I found a

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job right away um ironically for a anesthesiologist who

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did acupuncture okay in his office so that was really you know that was sort of my

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future first introduction to yeah it's

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yes and then I got a job as a medical assistant and family practice I worked in family practice for quite a long

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while um the doctors and nurses there encouraged me

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and I think Mark and I'll both do this ask questions in the middle of about things that are assumed to be understood

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please ask Family Practice what the heck does that mean Family Practice means

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that most family practices you see people of all ages starting with newborn

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babies all the way up to the elderly some family practice doctors still deliver when I did

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rotation through school I worked with a worked alongside any family practice position and yeah he still deliver

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babies so it's kind of like the old tiny little things yeah okay okay

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over the years yeah many family practices limit to certain ages like

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they don't see younger kids anymore that's Pediatrics yeah but some Family Practice still do that so thank you sure

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yeah um and it's interesting it's interesting it's a great question because as I think about it I think about how complicated

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you know it is it's like you know because you at times it's like you need a referral for this yeah and I and I I

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bring from my perspective that's like it affirms how complex our bodies are that

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we have all of these people to deal with and you mentioned autoimmune you know

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it's like you know you're you're there's doctors for all of these areas and it's just it's kind of

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awe-inspiring to me in some ways to think about how our bodies are designed so complex

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that we're learning more and more and it's like well then there's this this part that you've developed and this you

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know so I I it's it's neat to hear that and you need to see hear your story as

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you as you grew up through that process yeah because by

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Nature I'm quieter so I was a quiet Observer I asked a lot of questions most of my learning came from the

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patients so in being a medical assistant and working in Family Practice

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um the nurses the Physicians started questioning well are you going to do

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anything wrong with your career do you think you might want in advance do you have you ever thought about this or that

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and so um until they went through divorce

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um I couldn't make it up as a medical assistant so I discovered research so I fell into clinical research where you

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test new drugs to get them on the market and working there that hired me out I just walked in the door one day and I

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said I'm looking for a job and so they took me back and interviewed me and I had it

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and so now I see God see though I didn't know the Lord at that time I can definitely see the Lord and where I am

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now and so um when I worked there um again learned a totally different

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aspects in medicine how drugs through develops how they were um you know how did how they get to the pharmaceutical

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shelves I really learned about side effects from drugs I met a PA that I didn't really knows

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what is a pH yeah to North Carolina

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um is somebody that goes to school we go for two years of school you have to have

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prerequisites ahead of time so if you have certain many patient hours class hours

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um last hours you have to have the two years of class I was going to give you so many patient hours

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to patience and you learn there so it's like nurse

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because I understand the trajectory it doesn't you don't even have to be a nurse to be a nurse practitioner which

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is pretty much the same as the physician assistant in our state they're very close very very close okay and so

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um to be a nurse practitioner you have to first be a nurse you need to be a physician assistant you don't have to be

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I think it's a little bit harder from how I see it to get into

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EPA score [Music] um just because of the background the one should have a have a pretty good

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medical background a lot of exposure a lot of exposure

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um and it is hard to get in when I went I went

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got to into wave Wake Forest and um at that time there were 800

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applicants wow I did not have an undergraduate degree again the grace of God how did

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that happen how did I get in there so I didn't have an undergraduate degree I met on my prerequisite courses I had

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good backgrounds and so um see like I need to Wake Forest it was ruined it was

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like nothing I had ever done before could imagine PA school yeah I was glad I didn't know

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how thrilling it was going into it I was um

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I I was an older student at that age that only two that were that were older

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than I was and so I became like um like a mother to the kids were also all DRM

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headlights and so the schooling part was wonderful and intense the best learning

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part came from you have to do like an internship we called it externship

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internship and externship where you have so many months in different sex of medicine yesterday surgery Pediatrics

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and you sort of gets what she's applied and what you doing in school you will

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buy it you see how it works um so I graduated in 2003

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and Lake Forest have been kicking out pa students for so long where I lived

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um that there weren't a lot of jobs and so I still had one child at home and

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moving wasn't an option so the only job that came along was the emergency room

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I knew the Lord

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he's not sure how he feels about exposure in an emergency room yeah I wasn't sure either Justin as I see it I

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felt like you did yeah yeah so yeah and so um the system where I worked in the

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emergency room um we just saw the next patient that came in we weren't in a just a triage

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area if it was a gunshot looking you were next to pick up a patient you picked up a patient so that was pretty

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scary being a new graduate but again I learned and I learned I learned

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and so the thing that I liked about emergency room setting is the Physicians are right there if you've got a question

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if you need something people want some help you're not flying solo yeah yeah have a sense of support around you but

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it gives you autonomy it's to a certain degree to make some decisions and yeah okay and you learn your craft really

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fast because everything that you've learned now in that short amount of time you're using this yeah and again it is

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fast in terms of like people are just it's coming it's coming yeah you need to make a decision so you learn really

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quickly like when you go into that exam room is the patient just shuffled do you

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smell alcohol do you smell smoke is there t-shirt saying what um right yeah yeah are they

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grimacing are they having a hard time talking are they you know what's the eye contact are there pupils enlarged and so

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you take all this in in a matter of seconds really you have to right yeah yeah and so um and then I think the good

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history the physical exam and you're on your way you put your legs in the charts and then you

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pick up the next patient you usually

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pretty like much but yeah it's a good shot right you gotta have

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them out of here like two hours okay so you learn a lot so I learned a lot so I

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felt grateful for that nice me personally over time I was there for

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short of eight years um but get them in get them out get them in get them out there was no

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you would form our relationship with that patient and someone thinks they're dying or they have a life-threatening

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illness they become so vulnerable they just open up they're honest with you you

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can ask a question you'll get an honest answer um and so I really seem to appreciate

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that so very much I came to appreciate and understand the fronts we put up and

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kind of the I want to see a game that medicine plays but medicine definitely

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isn't about vulnerability but healing is someone in there so they get them and

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get them out and I thought I'm not I missed like literally hit frequent flyers sure you

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call frequent flyers patients that would you know do they collect miles

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yeah you get points you if you collect pills yeah you collect

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um even though first psychosocial reasons

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so there's various reasons yeah being a freaking fire yeah right and if you're

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if you're can you address how you see the

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physical health mental health you know I'm I'm just thinking about it from that

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but as a therapist you know it's like I just see them as so integrated can you

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speak to that to a certain degree as far as how the two tend to

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[Music] um because our health depends on them

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our mental state ment but also if our body isn't functioning well or it's going to break

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them somewhere and how much the status isn't working so it becomes a vicious cycle and so I think you you don't want

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to separate the two you want to realize [Applause] um you know in your spiritual life as well

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the people that came in and had the bodies with them don't feel safe with

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that has been to them um space seems to be

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healthier a little bit of rest on their qualities that are going to harassed on what was going on

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um because I feel like here's the soapbox

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this is the one Mark and I you know the Justin I take turns with it so yeah

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King of the Hill so my intention is that your spiritual life is also a big part

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of health and I think it's very sad that medicine is not allowed to recognize it

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so it's an example I became a Christian um when I was an emergency room and so

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I have the courage to ask patients what would you like me to pray for you with you

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um I only had one patient tell me no um but

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The Establishment found out I was praying for patients so my supervising position pulled me

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aside and he said yes and so um that's not part of your school's

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practice

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yeah so um later in life I took a job where I was

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Integrative Health it was a Christian establishment there was encouraged to pray for your health or for your

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patience I was told um as I said of the doctor he said before I

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go into the examine I asked God how can I help these patient to get well and do they need prayer and so it

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impress everybody sometimes you feel the Holy Spirit knocking this person is your prayer your

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Mutual empathy they need to know that God is with them you're going to completely bodies and so that's a part

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of medicine to see what I think is we've just lost this and it's such a big part

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of it yeah Davis in his eyes is that is that not in some ways part of

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polarization that we tend to where you know as we Diversified if I may say so

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our health is like you know we kind of stepped away from a a integral or

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holistic is that a fair word to use to describe it's like yeah it's about

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mental health it's about spiritual health it's about physical health it's about emotional health yeah social

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interaction is a big part of supports and yeah it is and it doesn't really

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have to be a long visit I feel like you know that's I feel like with the insurance company's

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mandate now you know you've got these many minutes with that patients and so

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um I think it doesn't have to be on I feel like because if you're doing your job you're going in that exam room and

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you're doing your 15 second assessment when you get a pretty good feel of what's going on with that patient you

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watch the body language you and then I think if you sit down and you simply ask them tell me what's going on you learn a

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lot it's so simple it seems so simple and it doesn't take long and is that not the care that people need to see you

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know and regardless of whether it's their spiritual health it's like people don't know how much care how much you

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know until they know how much you care less yeah exactly you know and I think that's what we

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portray and trade but portray you know when we're actually sitting down face to

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face having a conversation that says okay you can drop your mask right and

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you can tell me what's really going on because then at that moment I'm better able to understand

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and I'm also better equipped to help you correct yeah and then it's not about I

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think if you treat the patient as tell me your symptom and I'll give you a pill

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um it's not about here's a symptom there's

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a pill

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I mean it's very um well it's very stressful

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um even when I left the emergency room they already had come up with protocols so yeah if you had a heart attack

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these are the labs these are the x-rays these are the symptoms of a heart attack

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if you have um you have stomach ache well the nurse make sure you know because it's time to

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seriously and so it's all about yeah the get them in get them out and

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to speak to that real quick Protocols are helpful right they are helpful so so

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there's this there's this right there's this balance that because the reason I'm speaking to this

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is because I can't speak to this in in the non-medical world right even in my job right when we introduce those kind

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of automated checklists take protocol whatever it is helpful

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it does help with some things like you said now the nurses can do right whatever but it also

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can cause a removal of like a Cognitive Connection to what you're doing and just

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well like go to the next thing you go to the next news and you check off the boxes and you move on you get the next thing that's exactly what's happened

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yeah yeah okay and so a lot of times I think Physicians mood levels they aren't

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given the option because there's the protocols and you've got these many

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minutes with the patients and so um you get

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bonuses if you spend less time you get when I work to emergency room I got

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bonuses who are how many patients I saw above two and a half patients an hour and so I was rewarded well and then

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there's also the bonuses for you got bonuses if you've got good satisfaction scores like when you go to the doctors

32:02
now don't you get some kind of animal texture like going anywhere yeah you get

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to fill out a survey so I don't really know totally what happens with those surveys but I know that

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that if I got good satisfaction scores yeah I learned that if I gave a vaccine

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I got more money in my paycheck and so there's something that doesn't I don't

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seem right yeah I can speak to that whole system as well because that's very

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much in line with what I do okay um and I do online software essentially

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okay and so we are right in the realm of what you're talking about

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you know and in fact we set our own surveys and just like the protocol

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allow you to take some thought of processes those surveys all those things

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those are the things where money like you said that it represented money in your paycheck but it also represents

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money in terms of investment and it represents proof of what you're doing

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right and so right and so speaking to like my world

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we don't have office visits or whatever right and so it's like how else do we

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know if you approved of what we're doing and we can't sell our thing as well as

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we can when we know we're doing a good job and it's interesting how

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as you described what you were describing it does feel like the medical industry is leaning towards

33:39
that model of less interaction in more like the online model of

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get through the protocols okay get your 15 minutes of time with them and then do

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your post follow-up and keep the interaction of the actual professionals to the patient as minimal as possible

33:59
because that's how you get the most efficient correct right it's about efficiency

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all right so also when I was in the emergency room

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um we were encouraged to write for pain patients or pretty much any patients

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right you want good satisfaction scores so if you have to send them out with

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narcotics a prescription for Narcotics they're happy they're happy you get a

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really good score you get more money in your paycheck right and so I think that that's how sadly how some of the

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addiction I don't see this cause of it but it is encouraged right it's encouraged and I think

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um chemical dependency can be a slippery slope right so you have a backache

34:51
you've got some narcotics um the narcotics will be cope with life go

34:59
back to doing what you do right yeah you feel good and so then in this sorts of Simply slippery slope you don't start

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out thinking you know oh I want to hide from these you know from whatever you just want to be able to function and

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then it takes the edge off of other things so maybe you don't feel so anxious and so maybe I want these a

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little bit more often and I'm not abusing them but I'm having a tough day at work so you you know maybe it would

35:26
be nice to take that person or so you're you're you're you're perpetuating this your appreciation of

35:32
them increases but also they have diminishing returns right if I understand correctly so not only do you

35:39
think oh it could help also here also here but also it's doing less each time right so you need more for both of you

35:46
yeah I think um I think I guess I know

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the medicines become such a business so that's what drives it what drives it is

35:58
the money and not necessarily it's going to be the best for this patient

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and ultimately I think that's what you see as a demise of sorts if we're not

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necessarily focused on what's best for the patient it eventually becomes the

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entire Viewpoint if we're not concerned about the one I'm not saying people aren't generally

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concerned you know in the health you know but yes if to the point that

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relationship the individual relationship is being diminished it has a broader

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effect like a ripple effect if you will on the whole Pond right and that one

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individual is yeah and it's it's it's I think most

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um positions with levels go into school because they do care yeah to make people

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well right they don't go in to think oh I want to make a ton of money right maybe some too but I think for the most part they don't and so unfortunately

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you know establishment bureaucracy whatever you want to call it makes it

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very difficult to continue to care and I think that's what Physicians get burned

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out like you do care you realize maybe this isn't the best interest for the

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patient you realize I've got only this much time so you sort of and somebody said to shut

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yourself down yeah kind of have to shut off the compassion

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part so that you can do your job right yes as far as meeting expectations yeah

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yeah so as I'm thinking about that I'm thinking we're talking about this

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bigger structure so I'm seeing you know if I don't want if I want to genuinely

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help people I'm even thinking of my daughter too if she has a desire to be a

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PA that kind of thing you know it's like and I don't want to necessarily operated

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what are my options yeah how do you how do you look at what it is because you're

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not gonna short of some I think it's gonna change because I think patients are starting to

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demolition [Music] um [Music]

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it's like how you started out the conversation saying we need an advocate we shouldn't need an advocate but we do

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need an advocate and so we I think when you're sick or you're scared you know sometimes you don't ask the

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questions or you're to have an Advocates that come with you and say well what about this or what do you think about

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this test or are there going to be side effects from that or should we know about that [Music]

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um I think patients um

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if they start to say I want to take those diabetic medications what else can I do yeah

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um is there a way I can get my blood pressure down some other way um I think it's going to be a difficult

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change because there's not money in that I think it's a difficult change because

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and you're speaking to a recent graduating school it seems like you're speaking to an old timer it seems that

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the medical books have not changed over the years

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um [Music] here's next so that

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so the science has been primarily focused on the medic

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medication side of solving the problems versus like because I know there's been

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a lot of studies on the body and you know our immune systems our brains all those

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things over the course of however many years are you not seeing that stuff kind

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of make its way back to the books because they're focused right it's not it's not time to school you're not tough

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you know this patient has a stomach ache or this

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patient has you know why are they nauseous

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after pregnancy but other than that you just give a medication for a Menasha you don't want to look at why are they

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feeling that way you know how can I help them get well there's no focus on the

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top and I hope when I went to Wake Forest we had one class in nutrition it was two hours

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long um is that sufficient is that what you're

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saying oh okay sorry it's not everybody should know this but I guess maybe maybe

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this school doesn't know that okay so that being said how important is

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nutrition nutrition is a big part of our feeling okay um

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nutrition is part of our healing all the things that cliches I guess you've heard but you don't really apply them you

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start to apply to Small Things how much did you sleep last night yeah um do you have a good relationships

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within your family are you willing to work on those relationships do you realize how stress they're making you how your body is starting to break down

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how those shampoos that you're using that body we should have chosen have you

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ever looked at the back of the label to see how many chemicals are in that shampoo or

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how many um chemicals my life Megan's in here here's sorry he's a purveyor of

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chemicals in your head she is that's true it's fact it's okay but once

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in a while it's okay right but I think if we're on a daily basis using this body lotion right and you never looked

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at what's on the back and you've never looked at how many chemicals are in it S effect here without

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um how many chemicals the FDA here it is

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um like the European Union has banned over 1300 chemicals the FDA has only been

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eight and we strictly three the only cause cancer and DNA damage yeah so

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you're saying we should move to Europe is that we could move to Europe or we can demands we can demand what are these

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things on the labels um and I think that's what makes it important for me as you and I've got to

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know it is your your knowledge of those things that most people might be unaware

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of that are actually impacting their daily health and I guess that's kind of

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where I'm at is you know it's like what are those things that you see and and

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here again Justin and I sit before these microphones quite often is two guys yeah and you know and I and I think of my

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wife I think of other ladies you know who might be you know over time are

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struggling maybe with a fatigue and they just think well this is just life this is what happens as you age and I'm not

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sure that's necessarily the case can you kind of see that I don't think it is I think all these insults will be in our

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body it's almost like a pail right so you put an insults in it insults and an

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insult in and there's only so much that probably holds and at some point it

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overflows and then you have breakdown um you have breakdown and you can see

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rainfall um yeah it's not that you know go to bed in time which cancer

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um you're a flying you're doing your um

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those insults you need to start by just taking away all yourself there what might those insults mean for

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you know individuals to kind of and here again we're not offering Health advice but I think there's a I think you have

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an awareness of like like with the chemicals in your hair no offense to

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Megan or anybody you know that way at all but yeah exactly I'm telling but

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thinking of those things that we might expose ourselves to right that have that

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might we might want to think about doing different from a long-term effect

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I think one of the biggest in our society now is something I've encourage xenoestrogens

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he knows you know it's a big catch word now I haven't

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heard it is that right okay so you know estrogen estrogens you were talking about hormones the other day yeah

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xenoestrogens are man-made chemicals okay mostly found in Plastics they act

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in our body like exogenous estrogens exogenous are

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where our body naturally makes okay they're one thousand times times more

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powerful okay endogenous hormones and so we have receptors on which the estrogens

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attach Ed a thousand times

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there then

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so I was listening to a podcast um and then the guest was a guy who has

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his own podcast called huberman labs and if I I'd suggest maybe check it out sometime but he does a lot with uh

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hormonal therapy that kind of thing he's kind of on The Cutting Edge of that stuff to the point where he does like

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the injections and those kind of things right but it's fascinating as he they interviewed him the the his hobby horse

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his hot button his uh soapbox was he spent probably 20 30 minutes talking

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about how important the Sun is an exposure to the Sun and I'm like

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this is so cool because what we're seeing is we're coming full circle that's kind of what you're saying too

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like we have all these this guy he does hormonal therapy but he's talking about how important the sun is but he also

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talked about um what's the chemical we take to sleep

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it's away yes yeah but he was saying exactly that the version that we take

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over the counters like a thousand times more than the natural melatonin that our body produces so once that kicks in if

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we develop if we do that multiple times eventually your body just gives them say I can't

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compete I think that's right same kind of thing right so small change I made in

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my life which my husband jumps on board most of the time is as soon as the Daybreak comes we go out and we walk for

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just 10 to 15 minutes so reset your meals yeah right and you get the

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Melatonin so your body's already setting up melatonin yeah thank you you actually

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connected all those dots yeah until you get vitamin D from the center vitamin D is a hormone and so um

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um because it's something that meant Esther says xenoestrogen okay yeah

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that's how we see it as men you know that's what it is

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kind of the stigmatism yeah yeah because I'm around that word right

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yeah and no all men have estrogen and they need

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estrogen and so when the xenoestrogens come into play you get the beer bone

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yeah and so the dead body

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it says or the beer belly caused by too many beers

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maybe probably xenoestrogens and so or a

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combination or a combination of threading that's right could be partly the beer combining with the other

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chemicals that we induce our receptors when those kind of toxins

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come into our bodies our body recognizes them as toxins and it tries to quickly

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sequester them away toxins immunoestrogens they're stored in fat cells and so hence example

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so if I may for clarification you know the xenoestrogens as you're talking

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about them you would mention those Plastics and I'm looking right over here are you saying I don't normally drink

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that plastic well no and I'm not sure but I'm thinking about it as a culture

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oh absolutely you follow me and is that is that correct on my part that I'm I'm

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granted maple syrup it comes in it you know I mean I think of when I walk down the aisle at the grocery store

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everything most things we purchase come out of a

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plastic container right and I do think about it from as a kid I grew up with

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when we bought milk it came out of the cardboard container and you know or there was the glass milk jar you know

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early on my parents probably still use them because there's a bottler you know and I'm and I'm thinking about this

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transition all right is that what you're exactly that's exactly what it is it's it's the paper products it's the

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plastics it's like tea bags toilet paper it's engaged it has chemicals in it

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you're wiping your sensitive areas with those okay the skin there absorbs things

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really rapidly um most hand creams body lotions we put

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on little drip into your skin 15 seconds okay so that's the part where I talk

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about your pocket is full right so instead of using look at the label look at the back of

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your hand cream maybe you could use coconut oil some essential oils

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or you could use beef you could use we'll just hold vitamins

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and nutrients for your skin and it's the essential oils if I may ask

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all right is I've as I've heard the phrase before to a certain degree you know if you can't eat it don't put it on

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your skin yeah is that is a different mechanism right

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you may not necessarily be consuming it but if you so that's yeah and yet we eat

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a lot of stuff [Music]

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