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good morning Justin good morning Mark how are you I am very well thank you but not dandy no Dandy wouldn't necessarily

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be one of those words that I might necessarily use but uh I am very well

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what do you think Dandy means I would

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say Dandy i' I'd put it up there with oky doie

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but because it's a little better than okay it's kind of like a colloquialism yeah yeah I I yeah it

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would be in the category of good maybe a little better than good but not very

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good I mean I think I've only ever heard it in fin in Dandy I hear you yeah yeah

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so I'm going to start a new trend where you just say Dandy okay is that fair go for it fair enough see how fair enough

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this a justinm Dandy feel free to use it folks #

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justinm so guess what today is Mark today is Wednesday we always record on

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Wednesday good this happens to be recording number

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52 that's right 52 yes

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[Music] welcome to how I see it with me Mark

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Pratt and Justin Sternberg this is a podcast that works to countercultural

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polarization through thoughtful [Music]

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conversations so if you listen to this one and you want to listen to one every

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week for a year you can that's right that's right start at the beginning yeah

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yeah no well congratulations just congratulations to you mark yeah it's been a pleasure it's been fun it has and

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it's been cool because you know we kind of tried to do a little reflection on

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some of the ones we've done and just looking at the the list of episodes it's it's kind of yeah formidable yeah when

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you at 52 names yep and I and I I noticed that uh it that whole aspect of

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what you remember you know the F things first on the list and the things last on the list you know but you you really

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start looking at the whole list and I was uh yeah it's like oh yeah I remember that one or oh yeah I remember that one

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and it was just it was just kind of a fun thing to to look back through and kind of brush up and yeah yeah and a

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little bit later we're going to chat a little bit about some of our favorites or some of the things you learned about some of before that yes before that I

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got something for you mark you do what you got and the audience at home can play along we're going to do some how I

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see it trivia oh wow okay okay I'm good with it so if you're playing along at

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home you know you can just hit that pause button there you go and uh you know think about it yeah cuz you might

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even try and beat mark it could be a dual game like trivia slbe Mark to the answer if it has to do with technology

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most of our listeners will probably beat me and that's okay uh they don't really have

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technology so all right all right you ready for this I think I feel like we need a theme song I think we need a drum

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roll drum roll oh I think we have yeah sure okay oh that's not a drum roll

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that's a uh Rim shot where we tell jokes but either way all right that was a good

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joke there you go moving on all right so number one in our trivia

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game show here yes uh what would you guess would be the the day

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and the number o of the most plays in a day the most plays and bonus points for

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episodes listened oh okay we're going to have to break this down most played in a

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day yep most plays in a day most plays in a day number and date man I uh here's

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here's my guess I would say it was the release with um Jason disbro is the

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judge he has a big following mhm and that would be my guess you want the date

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sure yep that's yep oh number and date oh the number you just got the bonus

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points if you got it right oh my goodness um well normally

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we're like around 40 uh give or take all right um so I'm

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gonna say there was 110 okay and what was the date and what was the date oh my

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goodness I'm going to this is going to be way off I'm gonna say what we going I'm

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gonna say it was June I don't even remember what

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Wednesday was in June but the 14th 14th yeah of which

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year of last year 2022 how close was I you were wrong

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wrong and wrong really yeah I don't know why something happened

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on October 25th of 2022 oh that was a good day too that was a good day in fact

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our best Mark really yeah what was the episode uh there were three that were

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listened to on that day really yes the order was conflict part two okay so I'm

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guessing it was probably the day of release of conflict part two I didn't verify that that was a Wednesday but

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that would be my guess okay the next one listened to was Early Education part one

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okay and gratitude wow yeah so that was the most listeners in one day in one day

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most plays most plays in one day okay oh co the day everyone caught up I think I

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hear you yeah October was some some the first part of October had something to

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where it wasn't had didn't have to do with like a week where we missed or anything with it uh you know I see this

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is trivia coming back at you now there is one week which I should have put a stat in here that I failed to get it

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published so we skipped a week so R 52 is actually a year in one week yes exactly exactly but that's okay I was

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just I was just thinking whether that was a catchup it might I mean the week that I missed was between

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October uh no September 27th

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and it's all good riing October 10th so that first week of October so yeah I

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mean it could have been knock on effects yeah I'm just curious yeah yeah good question so yeah we did miss an episode

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that could have been a trivia question that's that's the one I was going to give you a trivia no I'm just

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kidding I'll think of My Trivia as we go okay do yeah yeah we won't have answers

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but that's good I'm sure you can look it up yeah all right next question fire

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away I hope you do better me too I think you shall because this is the number you

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already talking about okay what is our alltime plays Count

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3.7k nice if you look on the yes 3,703 exact oh and three in three give

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me that number so well done well done Mark you too people are listening to you you too at least 3.7k times exactly

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exactly and don't forget the three now now I have to go to 37 103 yeah yeah

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don't forget the three yeah but you can't say k anymore that's true that's okay all right next fire away all right

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average plays per episode average plays per

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episode uh like I said um this is the one time like I said is very

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applicable I'm debating between numbers 40 and 44 well you got to pick one so

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yep and so I'm going to go with 40 nailed it 40 cool like I said like you

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said like I said it's yeah no yeah all

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right you're you're nailing it now I mean you didn't do so good on that first one but admittedly that was a little off

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the wall that was that was good that was a good trivia question it was exactly you got to have some that St all right

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exactly next question you ready yeah audience size in the last last seven

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days audience size in the last seven

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days man that's I uh I'll be honest I haven't tracked this lately I mean in a

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long time M um One More Time audience size in the

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last seven days so that's not the number of

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listeners I think it is I guess I think it's

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the number of plays represented by a unique okay you know sure number of

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plays in the last seven days not number of plays because it's Unique right so if

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some if one account listen twice okay it wouldn't count towards audience size

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does that make sense yeah that's what I was trying of course it makes sense I was just trying to figure no I just um

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like I say I'm going to go last seven

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days 38 you are wrong

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uh that's okay would you like to guess again I need to be higher right yeah

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yeah so I'm going to go with 54 wrong again would you like to guess again

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higher or lower higher wow okay um last s

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days 110 [Music] would you're wrong would you like to try

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again but I need to go lower you definitely need to go lower okay 63 oh so close you need to go lower 62 lower

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60 yes no he's kep over 61 61 okay 61 61

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yeah kind of cool yeah yeah I hadn't really thought about it from you know like I just hadn't looked the analytics

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oh yeah that's cool that was a cool number yeah um yeah oh do you do you know this one

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without looking maybe you do know it what is our most played episode and

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how many times has it been listened to or played yeah I don't think I I don't have

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that one ah I'm going to guess I'm going to guess the Jason dis

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bro episode one like you said I believe you would be wrong okay all right I

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believe it is honestly still our introduction all right that has the most plays like 159 maybe all right let's

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look at up and I think uh I think uh Jason dis Bros is is even actually

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further behind just because it was released later but I think he's like 120 maybe something like that I I forgot

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that we had that that curve that yep from the the earliest episodes get

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listened to the most and it slowly dips over time to where it normalizes yeah forgot about that that so yes I think

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our intro has actually had the most yeah has been listened to the most

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times I'm trying to remember how we got to that data oh there we go episode

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rankings you hear those birds I do not it's almost you know

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uh-uh you don't want to know what I hear I mean it depends on if it's

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something I'm doing no you're not doing anything all right I got the chart and it is as

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described what was your number I I said 159 for our intro you nailed it and then

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120 the most listened to at 159 well done Mark hey and this you said man you

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are numbers I can do sometimes that's impressive yeah judge Jon disbro number one is 120 listens okay there's one in

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between it what is it but I mean that's the third most listen to okay so then I

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go with episode number two which was oh good one it wasn't Integrity it wasn't I

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don't think so well that's the one that uh is that integrity that's the one that's the second most second most okay

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I don't I'm not sure that was our second episode but it could have been no I'm curious let me

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see it could have been uh it is our second okay so yeah nice

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job I was I was thinking about Holy Spirit too yeah I think that was third

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okay the wives were in there the wives beat out Holy

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Spirit fair enough anyway yeah so it kind of goes down in in number just yeah

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pretty much H is the defining characteristic yeah but that being said

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I do uh just want to take a moment honestly to uh to thank all those people who have listened to us it's just kind

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of funny 3.7k of you yeah yeah and it's interesting where they where they lived

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I know you know we followed uh John was in uh you know Jordan for a while so you

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know those stats kind of kicked up you know and you have these foreign listeners ships and yeah and you know we

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have family around and so you know it shows where people listen from and so that's kind of a neat little thing yeah

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but yeah I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt but just wanted to thank thank those and uh definitely thank you too I

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mean like say from a technological standpoint technological technological um I got more trivia yeah

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yeah I'm good with that I'm just uh I appreciate your appreciation but I just affirming

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affirming so what next you ready for our next question oh as ready as I'm going

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to be all right what is the total number of guests we've

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had ooh total number of guests okay

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um that includes wives uh count them as guest okay

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um okay Mary

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Mary Three I'm at five I'm GNA say

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67 I'm G to go I think I'm at I think I'm solid at right right around seven

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all right you are very close I I'm am I one low you're one low yeah I was trying

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to think who I I was thinking there could be one more there is another question about who

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the guests are so okay so you a can't you can't necessarily answer we're yeah

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we won't necessarily talk about that but I was one low okay I'm still trying to

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think well let's do that next yeah go for it actually actually before we get to who

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yeah one other question sure fire away how many episodes include a guest oh now are you

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counting the doubles episode yeah so okay so wives was two

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okay Troy was two Jason was two uh I want to say Mary Beth and Mary

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Ellen both were two I I can didn't add up my twos as I was going um four 6 8

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10 um um consider I'm going to go with

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12 wait wait wait wait I missed one I missed one it was education two parts maybe I shouldn't have stopped so

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quick I uh I'm going to go with 14 14 is

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correct good thing I stopped which means you probably could get the guesss right uh the number right but instead of going

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back to that tell me who the guests were okay I'm GNA I think uh I'm going to say

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um Mary Beth was our first I believe um I think she was prior to

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wives even so um you want people yes okay so Mary Beth then there was um

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Megan and Chris and then I think we had Kelly I didn't count Chris twice on that

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one but did no okay okay and then um we would have had Mary Ellen Jason

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Troy I think there's one that I'm missing is that seven yeah so and it was eight there's

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one that I'm missing how'd you get the episodes right but not cuz I threw a couple in extra for the person that I

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can't think of right now but that most of them ended up being doubles mhm so I'm going to dock You for

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Cheating why is that I'm just kidding I'm just just calculating factoring my

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error um yeah I can't think of uh I'm

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GNA oh you know who it was it was Elias yes yes no we didn't have he wasn't in

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studio yes that's what made it your memory that's exactly right so he made

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eight yes he would have been eight and then he was two that was the extra two that I threw in right so yeah okay nice

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job Mark well done wow wow that was that was you can wipe the sweat off your well you know what you know what I was

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thinking all the while I was thinking it's like we've to had another guest here in our audience and I didn't even remember who they were they're going to

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be very offended like you say that's what that's what was going through my mind it's like yeah cuz I could I

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thought I remembered everybody that came in studio but yeah was a unique situation it definitely was and a nice

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job nice job on making that happen too just reach out yeah that was kind of a cool opport yeah I might see if he'll come back on

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at some point can chat about some polarizing in he's an intelligent fell no doubt about it y yeah um well done

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well done you kind of compensated for the errors so you got yeah I don't know what number you got right so far but I

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think I'm only one or two wrong yeah you're doing you're doing great I'm more than one wrong but yeah couple all right

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podcast Services percentages podcast ass Services

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percentages if you want I'll give you the list and then you can just tell me what you think the perent oh I see what you're saying you mean like Spotify and

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how many I would say most of the guess the number or the the the services first

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yeah well we're g who's who's uh whose iPhone you I apple apple play Apple play

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Apple podcast Apple podcast Spotify um do we we do it through um oh

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shucks that's Snapchat no is that not count as one no that's not snap snap

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that's not one one um okay uh do we do through Facebook we have a Facebook can

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people listen we used to but Facebook sto serving podcasts that's right about

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um I believe that was September 21st nice no um okay so you can tell which

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directions I listen to um and there's you can listen through the link itself you can listen through the website

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itself that counts y okay web browser web browser okay

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and well there's a couple that you're probably not aware of I'm just

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kidding yeah that would be where I'm at there's an other category so that would account for the ones I'm not aware okay

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okay so yes the other category the only other the only one you're missing of the five that I have listed here is Anchor

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which is our actual host you know so that's yeah I could should have yeah

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that's all right yeah um all right so you want to guess percentages oh yeah I

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I dare now they can only add up to 100 marks understood I would say the majority okay are going to be apple

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podcast Apple podcast okay at what number oh I'll go

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75% pretty close that's pretty good 72.3 i' still count that yeah

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CL and so then um I'm going to say Spotify be next um and I'd still give that maybe

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still 20 okay out of the am I way high you're pretty high yeah for what's left

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yeah of for okay so it's divided up um I'm going to I'm going to say anchor is

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probably the least okay um despite other

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um others the least at 2% no anchor the least at 2% okay 2.5

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okay so so you were right about anchor to so that I got to get the I need to

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other accounts for all the other ones so it makes sense to me it would be higher than oh I see what you're say the lowest

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maybe because it would combine right right right okay other is going to be

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5% 14.7 oh okay so there's a lot of others yeah yeah there's a lot of others

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and then that so 14.7 give or take 16

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so 91 so around 9% is going to be Spotify 5.9% okay

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close okay had nine right yeah yeah 72.3 is Apple podcast

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other is 14.7 Spotify is 5.9 web browser 4.5% and

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anchor is 2.5% they're not pulling their weight over there wow I tell you yeah

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they're great we we we do enjoy their stuff to be able to use though it's a good service it is a good service I'll

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give you that I mean and also we do a pretty I I put a lot of effort into

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pointing everyone to our website you know it's all the links and everything go to how I see it. click and so it

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makes sense to me that you know probably a lot of people would use Anor as their

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website where you'd send people to but sure yeah nice job yeah all right one

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more trivia o one more trivia mark this one you should do well at we'll see how

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many marismas you can man and you know if you

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get more than I have here then I have more to put on this list how how many do you have six okay oh man I collected

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them all right so preface I'm good at Maris this might help you are good at Maris but I'm unaware of them I'm aware

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of most of them so uh when it was your birthday in

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December I'm thinking of a couple from there gotcha was one that was mentioned gotcha yeah that's not uh yeah and I got

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to let me share the story okay oh sorry so I posted on Instagram picture of Mark and said it's Mark's birthday so let's

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celebrate with a few Marxism something like that sure and so we had several people comment and it was it was very

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funny it was yeah great and and not necessarily A marm or so I thought one of them was what do you think Mrs P

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that's definitely a marm there you go what do you think Mrs P for the audience Mrs P is Mrs Pratt

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his lovely wife Chris yes Y and so for who I am for who I am thankful yes for

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who you are um so yeah fair enough fair enough fair enough fair enough uh like I

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say like I say um

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H yeah see I'm not I'm not unaware no I'm I am actually working at trying to

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be more aware uh I know initially there was one that I said routinely at the

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very beginning probably still do um oh it wasn't ah go ahead I didn't

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want I hear you I hear you I hear you yes yes I can remember hearing about

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that one for a while I hear you yeah cuz I think that was which I hear you which

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one of those episodes was it where we talked about not necessarily agreement and now people say oh you so now people

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whenever I say oh you don't agree with me well come on now yeah a little

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backstory to what I hear you kind of means when you say it but it's taken a little too far yes now I hear you Mark I

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hear you yep and I age it can it can get it can catch it in different tones that's for sure yeah cuz sometimes you

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say I hear you as in confirmation of oh I get it y right yep which is the opposite of the other version which is

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hm I'm listening but I don't necessarily agree know if I agree with that sure sure it's kind of your yeah your way of

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providing room for yeah for more conversation yeah pulling a thread typ yeah yeah all right

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no concerns uh no concerns you betcha okay okay got yeah you betcha think this

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one but I'm adding it now thankful for the opportunity there you go fair enough I am thankful for the

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opportunity are yes indeed that's a good one to end on cuz that's exactly how we

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feel about this endeavor that's right right yes indeed we are thankful for the opportunity yes and so thankful for so

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many people who kind of took the opportunity I not maybe not necessarily

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through the site but just in uh individual conversations to kind of share you know what episodes they

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thought you know they enjoyed or were one of their favorites and so that's been neat thank you yeah yeah yeah yeah

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we had some nice feedback um there's only one written one yep so I didn't I'm

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not going to S signal single that one out but just yeah we'll just say that we've had some nice feedback from people

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in conversations in the last couple weeks and be before that too yeah um

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some some of people's favorites you remember any some of people's favorites

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um yeah uh we were talking um yeah uh John had mentioned winning

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the morning okay yeah uh Graham had mentioned that sounds like recency bias to me well um but Graham had mentioned

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parenting yes and um so yeah and then you know and then he went on to name all

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of them so yeah but then the educational one was another one he specifically

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Graham deserves a shout out he's there you go he might be our number one fan I hear you keep be close he could be close

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could be close yeah uh outside of family that's right right right that's fair that's fair yeah and I and I I don't

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know about yours but mine listens a little obligatorily so I hear you I don't know if fan is the right word well

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I think it's it's neat because I'll Meg I have to give credit where credit is

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due I think a lot of my topics actually come from within my family as far as conversations were having having and you

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know that kind of thing and following up you know yeah that's true yeah yeah and

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I know Lizzy's called you out on your uh your definitions once or twice that's right that's good she's like she thinks

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she's a college student learning all kinds of stuff or something yeah it's good stuff it's good stuff I'm trying to

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remember that one word I argued with her about and then like was Catalyst Catalyst we should probably clarify to

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the audience what catalyst is which I would do but I can't remember remember it's whatever Lizzie said it was yeah

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you remember yeah it was it was to the aspect it was to It sped up the process

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but it didn't change it it didn't it was something yeah my understanding of

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catalyst was that you know a plus b equals you know D or whatever like some

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you it required the Catalyst in order to transform um and she rightly clarified

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that a catalyst simply accelerates the process right in place I guess something like that exactly which you know it's

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not quite as fun yeah say it's always it's yeah yeah tells me I certainly used

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Catalyst to the wrong way too many times in my life that's okay and I was thinking to Lizzy was the Catalyst to my

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mental growth there you go and I was thinking too I was uh about you know

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conversations we've had with individuals you know at the very beginning cuz some of those you know conversations at the

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very beginning as far as you know discussing you know agreement or disagreement that was kind of fun too you know yeah yeah y

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like which do you have an example well personwise or uh or conversation wise

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yeah it was uh well um Jerry oh yeah yeah yeah you mean outside of the podcast would who would

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continually you know not continually but you know routinely interact and have

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discussions with us you know CR over you know the topic of the week and that that that was fun you know to be able to have

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that discussion and just be able to really it was a continuation of what we desire to do here each each time it was

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like ah I'm not sure about that but I thought this was good or you know something along that line and so yeah

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and you know just just different people and um I you know Jimmy's another one you know that basically you know has

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shared some transformation you know and I'm not saying I want you know leave

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anybody out on that message but you know there's a lot of people including our

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wives who have kind of offered some insights along the way that have uh just been really fun and you know a good

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opportunity to say okay yeah yeah yep yep I know Tony he's he's mentioned a

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few episodes and that's cool and yeah Lanna is the one who actually wrote in a

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nice little thing so sure she definitely deserves a shout out and uh yeah yeah so

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yeah I'm sure we're leaving someone's going to be hurt cuz well and I apologize for that in advance you're our number two fan but we just forgot about

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you I'm more sorry but yeah so that's it's been fun to have that interaction

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with people and the continued conversations and yeah the affirmations along the way and the you know the

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challenges and that's that's been fun yes I'm writing something down

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talking does that uh does that in conclude the um yeah the trivia yeah we

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done okay so we're officially is complete I my heart I mean you said you were going to make some up so I'm I'm

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only I you did you did ask about the episode the most listened to episode

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yeah I did was nice and you had those numbers I was very impressed like you say you got any others up your sleeve no

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nothing off nothing else much up on my sleeve yeah yeah yeah but I do uh as I'm

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as I'm thinking about the topics and so forth what do you for you personally

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what do you think was the episode that you tend to reflect back on

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for you more because of the conversation it was just kind of one of those things that you kind of find

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yourself kind of popping up in your mind based on

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life oh good question um I I would say there's several that do that kind of

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come up regularly in my mind um there's a right answer there's only one no I'm just kidding well the the two that I

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have I have a few written here that I kind of just in terms of ones that stood out to me for various reasons so of that

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list that I have there the two that I would say would be Integrity okay is

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probably the number one that would be the number one answer just that concept of Integrity um and then the second one

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would be chesterton's fence wow yeah I I those were my top two but I had them

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flip-flopped oh really that you come back to answer this question to answer that question wow yep yeah I would say

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Chester's fence in our culture TS to proves we can't really do polarizing

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discussion our minds are the same no but in our in our culture yeah you know I I

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see chesteron fence all around you know we're just changing at times we we're just changing for the sake of change and

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we're not necessarily considering the long term and yet you know and I think

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that's where Integrity comes into play cuz it's like okay things may be changing things may people may be doing

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things different for the sake of doing things different but for me it's about doing what the right thing is whatever

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well for me it's about you know Integrity yeah and and I like what you how you defined it early on in that

34:22
context of wholeness to be integral is to be whole oh one you know is an

34:30
integer so like you say it was just that was a part of it to be able to be whm

34:35
minded as a you know believer and you know as we typically do in the morning

34:40
you know as we try to do you know praying before the the podcast you know just really inviting you know all

34:47
aspects of who we are into the podcast from even our emotional our family ties

34:52
our spiritual ties you know and uh and being integral yeah is uh so so yeah

34:59
that's that's that's my explanation for the one and two yeah I think jard and

35:06
Spence I would say the same thing just like yeah I think right what you just said there's a

35:12
lot of things around that kind of just draw me back to that concept and make me

35:17
think about that go man you know um but in in terms of the Integrity one the the

35:23
other aspect of it that we discussed was this idea of this kind of bubble person that you have up in the air of who you

35:29
want to be and how it can differ from the real person you are and so that concept comes into my mind a lot just in

35:36
terms of if I want to be this person that I say I want to be well then I got to put

35:42
action to what I'm think you know I got to put action to it so you know if I want to be a good husband then I got to

35:48
you know like for instance a little thing is I want to write her a note today you know what I mean sure that

35:54
kind of thing so it comes to mind a lot where like I have these ideas of what I am as a good husband and or you know

36:01
father or whatever sure and recognizing that they don't always the line so trying to cover that ground you know

36:07
shorten the distance between that person in my head and who I really am sure has been good you know yeah that awareness

36:14
yeah yep still not there cuz the person I want to be in my head is perfect and I hear you I understand that's not you

36:21
know going to happen but um yeah so that's a good concept that keeps coming to mind about covering the ground

36:27
between the two and not just being a person of in intent sure right sure you know what I mean by that like I intend

36:34
to be a good husband intend to be a good right father but not actually putting the groundwork in to you know yeah but

36:42
it's tough it is but that's what Integrity requires I yes indeed no the

36:48
other one I was uh that comes to mind for me like you say if it would be a third where our were our health episodes

36:54
I'll say okay you know with Mar beath because I just rely run into people who

37:02
are experiencing you know abnormal type Health Dynamics you know and so you know

37:08
now after after those episodes it's like okay what does the diet look like you know and and so that's what offenses are

37:16
you putting in your body yeah yeah yeah that's so those those kind of come back

37:22
to my mind you know when I'm interacting with people you know with health

37:27
condition and yeah yeah I I definitely think about the offenses idea quite a bit in terms

37:35
of do I want to eat that Brownie and add an offence you know what I mean whatever or you know whatever it is it's it's

37:43
helpful and kind of you know how you count calories right sure it's more of a

37:48
whole a wholesome concept of that where it's not just counting calories but kind of counting the number of things that

37:54
you're offending your body with and like do I really want to add another one whe whether you know what I mean um and I

38:01
think about it too I'll typically run into people you know who are dealing with autoimmune type stuff yeah you know

38:08
as far as you know different you know fatigue syndromes that kind of thing and it's just that that those kind of

38:14
podcasts typically come to mind you know when we're yeah I think we we're we're

38:21
due in year two for another wives episode cuz that was definitely a favorite no doubt not just our but we

38:28
definitely heard from a lot of people that it was a favorite of there no doubt no doubt and I'm not surprised if they

38:34
had a podcast their listener account would be much higher than ours so they would be our favorites there too right

38:41
yeah was is that your favorite episode you personally be honest now I heard

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that um I don't know that I can say a favorite but that

38:53
one yeah I think that was my favorite just cuz it was fun to kind of sure laugh with our wives and recount some

39:00
things yeah so and and I think I think in some ways we got to know each other as couples in a way we hadn't before y

39:08
yeah yeah yeah so yeah that was definitely a a fun episode is that your

39:14
favorite yeah that would be my favorite yep favorite is hard because it depends on what you mean by like favorite in

39:20
terms of what but I do think overall just yeah just as far as an enjoyable

39:26
podcast recording and just you know in the you know we yes we've had a number of great you know interviews that kind

39:33
of thing but yeah I would say all the interviews were pretty enjoyable to me oh definitely so definitely so I mean I

39:40
think you and I both agree we enjoy this and we enjoy our conversations but we add in a third perspective of someone we

39:47
respect and enjoy talking with I mean it's it's just really enjoyable yep and getting that some perspec I mean

39:52
everyone we brought in was specifically to talk about something that they you know has some you know knowledge or

40:00
expertise in and it was just cool to hear people talking about what they're what they know a lot about and what you know passions yeah and talents yeah no

40:09
doubt so I would say I don't know I don't even know if I can rank them like in terms of favorite guest epis nor

40:16
should I on the air but they they do feel like they're all kind of in the same vein just

40:22
because the opportunity felt similar and like this is fun to talk to this person about this thing that they're clearly

40:29
passionate about no doubt yeah theas dber one was cool because it was you

40:34
know quote unquote a celebrity someone we reached out to and was able to do it so that was fun for me to just say like

40:40
hey you know that that kind of communication reaching out that can produce a conversation like that but it

40:46
ended up being bittersweet because the the recording ended up being so echoey and messed up and kind of a learning

40:52
curve situation for me so that one I it's kind of like torn in my

40:58
was really cool leading up to it then kind of bummer after like just going well here it is yeah cuz you did a lot

41:05
of work on that just to get he even paid someone to edit it and make it clean it up like oh wow oh yeah it was he did or

41:12
you did no I paid someone to clean it up and then after I got it back I still spent many hours on it wow so yeah that

41:20
one was but but I'm thankful great idea yes

41:26
great idea and we I mean we're much more properly set up at this point to do that

41:32
same thing so yeah I'm looking forward to having another guest yeah be able to yeah yeah like a video chat type guest

41:39
or no set up a different mic just to be to yeah the way we got yeah yeah it'll be interesting yep

41:45
um another favorite I would say yeah maybe my second favorite really maybe

41:52
okay it was the humor SL love it one oh yes just cuz you know we kind of made it

42:01
took the opportunity to introduce some humor sure and I think we probably could

42:06
and should I mean going back to that episode the whole point was introducing that into our lives can can help relieve

42:14
doubt pressure you know whatever lubricate that Etc and so you know I

42:20
think we could definitely do that more and better even in our episodes um probably maybe but I enjoyed that

42:26
episode because we specifically uh you know brought in some dad jokes and yeah

42:32
talked about the idea of uh conversation I think it was that one we were talking about swimming

42:39
like uh like you can stay underwater for a long time right and hold your breath

42:45
and stay down there and that's what makes you a good counselor okay you know this idea serious deep conversation

42:52
right where some of us need to to Bob up now and then or some of us can't even get below the surface just all jokes no

42:58
you know yeah no I hear you that might that might have been different episode I

43:04
it might have been a different one but that's all right too but it um another I'll I'll say another favorite and I

43:10
appreciate you know your transparency and it was depression MH as well you know and just being able to talk

43:16
personally and candidly about what that because in initially when you said uh

43:22
River um you alluded to River in depression it's like you know your

43:27
ability to people want to say just don't go in the river you know but you hear it

43:33
you you know that the river is typically around you and you know and so yeah that

43:38
was I've you know had different people reach out and say you know yeah this was a really helpful episode so yeah just

43:45
wanted to say that was yeah one of my favorites as far as the ability to you

43:51
know offer hope M so yeah yep yeah

43:58
um I also appreciated several episodes where we we able to kind of tap into the

44:03
vein that is Mark's knowledge in terms of counseling or the things that you've learned um I know the one where we

44:10
talked about the various learning styles or no no I'm sorry uh attachment theories love Styles yeah yeah but

44:17
you're talking about attachment Theory too right yeah yep love Styles come out of attachment Theory okay gotcha yeah

44:22
that one was that was kind of cool to kind dive in there and user friendly wasn't it yeah maybe yeah I couldn't

44:30
remember the title of that I think that was user friendly makes sense yep nice nice job remember I tell you I try I try

44:37
a steel trap of well sometimes it's closed but once you get it open nice I've also the White Blank Page

44:46
episode I've I've referenced that concept a few times since then okay to others about sure ways to you know deal

44:54
with that particular situation of a stressful week or yeah you know so that's been cool to kind of have that as

45:00
in the tool belt to be able to say hey y try this or even myself right to be able

45:05
to say I should be doing that and then that one uh that one remind yeah I was

45:11
going to say that one reminds me another one but we haven't released that one yet so that's which one don't say it I'm just kidding no you can say it it was uh

45:18
neuroplasticity we hav we haven't uh neurop pathway neurop Pathways we haven't released that one yet but yeah

45:24
those those are similar from my perspective yeah as far as how we think is very important which which we uh we

45:31
need to do the words one we talked about yeah yeah last evening so Mrs P yep she

45:37
brought up you guys ever talked about the Power of Words yeah that would be a cool one um I've also you know we've

45:45
been we have a list of topics and one of the ones that keeps uh wanting me I keep

45:50
wanting to do it but I don't NE forgive my text message tone there I'm turning muting it at this point

45:57
um uh one of the ones that I've been wanting to do for a while but you know we just haven't pulled the trigger but is biases is this idea how we brain it

46:05
kind of ties into neuroplasticity and these other things where your brain kind of has these Pathways that it follows

46:10
naturally and you you take them for granted but yeah and it creates biases right so that'll be I think it be a fun

46:16
one but before we move on cuz I do want to talk about what's next okay but

46:21
before we do that is there any other favorites you want to discuss no nothing

46:27
nothing else really comes to mind it's just been it's just been really a good journey you know to really have the

46:32
opportunity to look back and yeah there's there's a number of conversations that have been had that

46:38
you know wouldn't have happened otherwise and you know and I'm when I say that I'm I don't mean to sound

46:45
arrogant I'm saying me with other people and you know and just even family members and you know having people you

46:52
know say hey yeah you know I go to sleep listening to your podcast it's like okay

46:57
well if that's what it's helpful for in that way go for it you know white noise machine that's all right we'll take it

47:04
as long as there uh listen number goes up we don't care how you that's right that's right no but seriously just you

47:10
know having those interactions and you know being able to uh hopefully you know

47:16
as we interact with the people around you know with the people who share with us you know they are able to get that

47:24
sense that we just enjoy what we're doing here and you know it's it hopefully that's

47:29
evident and by all means if uh you know there's been a conversation you enjoy this I do I do I do tell that to your

47:37
face just kidding I'm just kidding I can try I can try I didn't

47:45
realize I didn't realize my face was uh Mark has a very jovial face don't listen

47:50
to me I I appreciated the humor though cuz yeah yeah um a good line where'd you

47:58
hear that I don't remember oh okay it is a good sound like a 80s movie you know it you

48:04
know that Amy what's her Amy but either way go ahead oh man I don't know what RAB aold we just fell down no we

48:11
something yeah yeah I can't think of her last name but that's okay Amy I can't think of her last name you'd recognize

48:16
her yeah polar see no come back out come on up

48:22
come on up just we're here we're here uh okay cool that yeah let's talk a little

48:28
bit about what so what's next Mark what oo what's next have some thoughts but

48:35
I'd love to hear your you know that's a I didn't give you time to

48:40
think about that no and and I understand I'm not always too concerned about

48:45
what's next I for me I you know I think I think from my perspective I could

48:52
improve on just our ability to have a list a little bit ahead

48:57
a little bit more so ahead to where you know we're planning but at the same time

49:03
that's counter to the discussion in some ways from my perspective I'm sure there's you know different views out

49:09
there it's like oh wow these guys you know you know research and then you might be very disappointed how much we

49:15
tend to research some of the topics we discuss let's put a disclaimer in that

49:20
yeah we pick topics that we're passionate about because we have at some point you know like we have

49:27
it's not what it's the word research isn't it yeah I guess we have experience yeah

49:35
and certainly have researched some of these extensively at some point in our life I'm just saying I don't think

49:41
Justin does a lot of researching yeah all right but that that

49:47
being said you know I think you know what as I'm thinking about I would like to be able to you know maybe be a little

49:55
more proactive yeah in the research that we do um and and yet still maintain the

50:04
ability to recognize our experience tends to you know Define our

50:10
views so extensively I think you you did a good job of um making that comparison

50:17
in in gun control you know when you know inner city you know grow up you know

50:24
rule grow up you know that what that looks like and how it you know affects

50:31
so many topics not just gun control but so many of our topics are are based on

50:36
you know where we've come from and the experiences we've had you know within our family systems and within the

50:42
Greater Community around us you know I think that's that's that's basically the

50:49
the premise behind how I see it it's so often those backgrounds that create that

50:55
polarity just because we grew up so differently MH and so yeah that's

51:01
yeah it's from where we grew up from and sometimes it's where we grow into but either way we tend to yeah cuz sometimes

51:09
you know we can morph into this person who's polarized in a particular Viewpoint because like for instance gun

51:15
control you know my uncle was shot you know whatever arm robbery type situation

51:21
well now I'm completely you know maybe I swung to the other side sure

51:27
naturally you know yeah so yeah I do think whatever the reason we come to

51:32
every discussion with a particular Viewpoint that often is strong sometimes not right yeah exactly yeah yeah like

51:39
gun control I was like I don't have a strong opinion either way but I have strong thoughts in certain you know

51:46
aspects but yeah I don't know no yeah that's good yeah a little more I hear

51:52
what you're saying that would that would be for me personally a little more yeah preparational goal type stuff but yeah I

51:59
don't want it to be you know counter to the ability to have the conversation either so more of a well this is what I

52:05
just recently learned type thing could be a part of that but so yeah that's kind of my goals I'm pretty present

52:11
minded I try to be as far as you know not necessarily spending a lot of time

52:17
looking back thank thankful grateful for you know the blessings along the way and

52:23
I just uh I guess maybe in some ways I don't spend a lot of time thinking too

52:29
much about the future yeah so yeah but goals a cop out but okay well I it's

52:35
it's an honest answer to a to a question I just I mean I'm just teasing yeah yeah

52:41
yeah well if you think of other things along the way you let me know you know but yep so goals for you Justin tell me

52:49
um what you what would you like to see well it wasn't yeah goals is way too strong of it word just like what's next

52:55
ideas thoughts um yeah I definitely you know obviously we want to get more guests on because those are some of our

53:01
highlights and Y I agree um definitely want to do that it's it's a little bit challenging to get that in the schedule

53:07
and what and all that so I think in regards to what your comment about being a little more proactive and stuff like

53:12
that it ties into guests too cuz you know we got to get that planned agreed so yeah that that's for me one of the

53:20
things um I also I think it would be really cool and we have gotten a few from this and we just met mentioned

53:26
Chris mentioning The Power of Words but getting topic ideas from the audience like what do you guys want to hear us

53:32
talk about and kind of break down a polarizing subject maybe something that

53:38
you know is just a taboo subject in your household or whatever yeah and you'd love to hear us talk about it or

53:45
whatever whatever reason you know um I think that would be awesome we definitely get a lot of topic ideas I

53:52
would say a lot of them don't necessarily tie in the polarized in idea but we also don't

53:58
necessarily only do polarizing subjects you know sometimes we just talk about passion subjects so um but it would be

54:05
great to get some more polarizing subjects from from so it's not just all what we think is polarizing but also

54:11
does that make sense oh yeah I'd love to hear from from you guys you know topics you'd like us to cover or even guests

54:19
you know that you hear not you know if it's within our power to yeah exactly any anybody you want to yeah any

54:25
professional you want to have us interview feel free to contact them and just make the connection for us we'll be

54:32
happy they may not have heard of us but uh we'll definitely uh be thankful if we've heard of them that's right yeah

54:37
thankful for the opportunity that's right like I say yes indeed I hear you

54:43
no concerns uh yeah but I uh forgot when we

54:50
were talking about uh look oh yeah when we were talking about looking back and

54:56
whatever um or well it kind of ties into both ties into looking forward and looking

55:01
back but it all it ties into what you were saying about why we do this and what

55:08
we're looking for and and you also said there's been a lot of conversations that wouldn't have happened otherwise and

55:14
Then followed up with saying not being Eric and I mean conversations outside of this podcast but I would just like to

55:20
say I'm thankful for the conversations that have happened in this room with you because of doing this like I think um

55:26
for me a big part of this podcast you know when kicking it off and even to now

55:32
is about Legacy oh wow it's about a desire to have you know a body of work

55:39
that represents my life and that's a really lofty you know goal but it's it's

55:46
true that's a big part of why I want to do this is I want my kids to have something you know from me when I'm gone

55:53
that represents the things I've learned and that does tie a lot into into it you

55:59
know and if it benefits others and and certainly benefits me as we discuss or whatever those are all those are

56:06
certainly bonuses but that's a big part of it for me is you know having the stuff inside my head banging around that

56:12
I want out and I want it in a way that can be referenced you know by my kids

56:17
and that does you know you you kind of backed out of it saying uh not to be

56:23
arrogant but I'm kind of saying I am proud of what we're doing here and I am proud of what we're able to share and

56:28
talk about and these conversations and um it feels good to have this body of

56:34
work 52 episodes is a significant thing and you know it's not all perfect it's

56:39
not there's some fluff in there or whatever but it's just it represents yeah you know yeah something to be proud

56:46
of for me no I hear you and I hope you feel that way too yeah no that no doubt and I appreciate you sharing from that

56:51
light and I it's interesting I I don't don't typically think about um

56:59
this having the impact that you know those personal conversations do to me

57:06
you know because I I'm I respect what you're sharing on Legacy and having that and I think part of it comes down to you

57:12
know maybe life cycle stages for us you know because a lot of what I'm doing

57:19
what I'll do with John and Lizzie for SE is you know that interaction on an adult level where the discussion

57:26
the topic comes up you know that kind of thing and I I I enjoy that also you know

57:32
not necessarily yeah it's just kind of interesting to think about it from those two ends as you see it you know this

57:39
going forward and I see it as this going out and then the conversation coming

57:46
back yeah and sometimes going out from conversations yes between you know you

57:51
and your family exactly yeah no that's great yeah and same with me I mean certainly a lot of this comes from

57:57
conversations with Megan and sure you know and as Mia gets older too you know she certainly is you know I mean not

58:05
just me they there's great viewpoints from all of them but yeah yeah that is

58:11
interesting I appreciate uh I forget when it was it was a while back um I

58:16
appreciate you shared that that you and Joseph had the same sense of humor when it came to I think there was a podcast

58:22
you listen to and you know he was at the age where he was starting to kind of catch on to some of the humor you know

58:29
and so that's kind of cool too you know being able to have that yeah yeah none of my kids listen to the podcast so it's

58:37
not it's just about the opportunity maybe someday when I'm dead they're like you know what what what a dear old dad

58:44
have to say and yeah hopefully it'll be knocking around in the interwebs in some dusty corner there you go you'll be able

58:50
to yeah no that's neat but yeah I think just being able to get it out out of you

58:55
know yeah have the conversations have them to be out there um is again something for

59:02
me to be proud of and I am proud of it so yeah I'm sorry you're not Mar oh no no it is and I think yeah I'm proud of

59:09
what we've done I'm proud of all and really what you do from the technology end is probably more of what I respect

59:16
you know just because the things that we tend to do personally aren't that big a

59:22
deal but when we interact with someone who has talents that are different than ours you know we tend to respect those

59:30
talents you know and our personal ones may not be such a big deal but it's not

59:36
that ours aren't valuable to that other person the same way we see their value so yeah yeah I

59:43
mean yeah yeah I get the the show onto the internet but you are what makes

59:49
people listen definitely not but it's a good time yeah yeah yeah oh team effort yes

59:59
any other questions or thoughts feel like we need a high five okay we can do air high five there you go we did it

1:00:04
just trust us that's right that's right all this technology keeps you from hearing it now the old Studio this Tech

1:00:10
set up you can hear every Echo yeah yeah we've officially cut out the birds and everything that's true oh we you should

1:00:18
that'll be a trivia cuz you hear the birds in this episode I'm pretty sure I could hear it at one point through here

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so today wow [Music] so if you're a listener you can tell

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tell us yeah if you hear correct you could hear the birds it was Mark correct you could not hear the birds yeah

1:00:36
yeah did you hear that I did not uh great anything else any other

1:00:44
episodes you no I I mean yeah I just you know there again

1:00:51
being thankful for you know those guests who have come MH cuz I recog it's not an

1:00:56
easy thing to kind of carve time out of your day you know listeners can can kind of choose

1:01:04
yeah and and not that our you know our guests couldn't choose they weren't here by force but you know to that degree we

1:01:10
just uh because I realized there's a certain amount of anxiety maybe even

1:01:16
nervousness that goes along with doing something new and that kind of thing so just wanted you to know that you know

1:01:22
for all those who have helped out and have been part of it you know we appreciate thank you yeah thank you

1:01:29
you're part of what made this year a success so we're thankful for you and your voice yep yeah and those

1:01:35
conversations so no doubt and we'll be again looking to have more of those this year so yeah so congratulations mark on

1:01:43
congratulations 52 episodes one year of episodes you as well and uh actually a

1:01:50
year and one week because we missed a week it's okay yeah yeah it was an

1:01:55
accident it an accident don't remind me Mark stop it oh let it

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go so without further Ado this is how we see it it's how we see it thanks guys

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